Arizona Rep. Giffords shot, several wounded
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UPDATED: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 14:52
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
she twice voted for more money to the Iraq war
she is in thick with the AIPAC crowd, and is quoted as " Committed to unbreakable U.S.-Israel bond.
supports US policy is Afghanistan and Pakistan
Hell, she has plenty of blood on her hands, and appears deserving of the result.
I'd feel bad about the nine year old, but then again I wonder how many nine year old have been wasted by US drone strikes.
I think it's very patriotic to support the nation that massacred the USS Liberty, then tried to blame the A-Rabs.
"The act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation."
-Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
True. It's up there with
The war has begun.
Choose or perish.
in terms of a response to a fatal shooting.
Again, you miss the point. My remarks were in response to " fucking right wing assholes " and the hyper over reaction to Palin's ' hit list' and those trying to connect non existent dots. It absolutely wasn't in response to multiple deaths and woundings by a whacked out nut case.
Seriously, some of you have the brains of a turnip.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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No, I didn't read the link. It wasn't clear that you were quoting from that link. In any event, nNow I have, it wasn't very illuminating. Another angry, badly written rant from a right winger who feels, oh that's right ANGRY. The emotion of the day.
I get people's right to protest, I really do. It's just that the rhetoric of the right has become more and more laced with violent undertones. And over what? They didn't like democrat policy. Well, I never.
I wonder if any of those people protested the useless wars that killed thousands of americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans. Did they protest when Bush sanctioned torture, when the Bush government implemented policies of rendition, indefinite incarceration without trial, when US soldiers carried out sanctioned abuses of prisoners.
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Magonsdaughter wrote:
Sunday, January 09, 2011 14:23
No, I didn't read the link. It wasn't clear that you were quoting from that link. In any event, nNow I have, it wasn't very illuminating. Another angry, badly written rant from a right winger who feels, oh that's right ANGRY. The emotion of the day.
Yes. Damn right, they're angry. Because when the Gov't isn't listening to the people, and continues to ignore their wishes, folks get angry.
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I get people's right to protest, I really do. It's just that the rhetoric of the right has become more and more laced with violent undertones. And over what? They didn't like democrat policy. Well, I never.
Because the gov't continued to ignore the people. But you're over hyping the 'violent undertones' bit.
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I wonder if any of those people protested the useless wars that killed thousands of americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans. Did they protest when Bush sanctioned torture, when the Bush government implemented policies of rendition, indefinite incarceration without trial, when US soldiers carried out sanctioned abuses of prisoners.
The water boarding saved lives. If you think that's 'torture', or a bad thing, tough.
The terrorists got treated far FAR better than they treated our soldiers, or those in the WTC towers. Bush treated the terrorists better than they deserved.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Quote:I am so sorry for asking. I don't know you well enough to know if you are being sarcastic, or if you are serious. I'm just wondering. Thanks.
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Too bad Loughner wasn't a better shot....
Well maybe I'll lurk again in a few months, or if more good news occurs...
If someone were to advocate this position seriously, it would imply the "good" thing to do is to kill every legislator who voted the same votes to keep the wars going. I can't imagine anyone advocating that seriously.
Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yes. Damn right, they're angry. Because when the Gov't isn't listening to the people, and continues to ignore their wishes, folks get angry.
The government was voted in by people. If people don't like what the government does, they get to vote. Sometimes you don't get the government of your choice, that sucks, but its how things happen in a democracy.
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Because the gov't continued to ignore the people. But you're over hyping the 'violent undertones' bit.
No, the people who demonstrated don't like and agree with the governments policy. But there will be people who DO agree with those policies. If the government loses the support of the majority of the people, they'll be voted out. That's how things happen in a democracy.
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The water boarding saved lives. If you think that's 'torture', or a bad thing, tough.
The terrorists got treated far FAR better than they treated our soldiers, or those in the WTC towers. Bush treated the terrorists better than they deserved.
Ah yes, thank god only bad people get tortured, because torturing bad people for information is okay So as long as you are not bad, you'll be okay, you have nothing to fear. No problems with handing that power to governments, to decide who is good and bad, who deserves torture and who doesn't, who deserves death. Talk about handing them the ULTIMATE power over people.
The creed of every truly tyrannical government.
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Quote:What about "terrorists" who turn out not to be terrorists?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The terrorists got treated far FAR better than they treated our soldiers, or those in the WTC towers. Bush treated the terrorists better than they deserved.
What about Dilawar who was killed at Bagram, for example?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dilawar_%28human_rights
_victim%29
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It would be many months before Army investigators learned that most of the interrogators had in fact believed Mr. Dilawar to be an innocent man who simply drove his taxi past the American base at the wrong time.
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Quote:I am so sorry for asking. I don't know you well enough to know if you are being sarcastic, or if you are serious. I'm just wondering. Thanks.
Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Too bad Loughner wasn't a better shot....
Well maybe I'll lurk again in a few months, or if more good news occurs...
If someone were to advocate this position seriously, it would imply the "good" thing to do is to kill every legislator who voted the same votes to keep the wars going. I can't imagine anyone advocating that seriously.
Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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Everything I say is just my opinion, not fact.
Completely Serious
In a just world people are legally and morally held to account for their decisions and how those decisions effect others.
In a perfect world, the collective leadership of the US would find itself under investigation / prosecution before the International Criminal Court.
Hmm Not going to happen.
Many on this board have said in the past that voting isn't going to solve anything. The fix is in, it doesn't matter who gets elected you have the same thing. Obama is proof of that, so no possibility for change that way either.
If the only way to hold your " legislators " accountable is to treat them in exactly the same fashion your government treats those opposing it around the world... then good luck to those doing the shooting. They vote money to criminal actions, then they are deserving of what they receive, until such time we have a different way to resolve these issues.
But anyway, back to the occasional Lurk
No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Hmm.
Firstoff, I think it'd odd that in between the obvious crazy, it's actually PN whos offered the most hard-information content in this thread (discarding the obvious bunk), and what does THAT say, I ask you ?
Secondly, and this specifically to Hero - if I am so "crazy" and yet, have a history of being utterly correct in most assessments of a situation, often right down to chapter and verse, as opposed to the "sane", then you really need to either revisit your worldview, or come to terms with the fact that if the lunatics are right, there's something seriously fucked up about our world, and maybe go see to doin something about it.
Besides, that kinda crazy is a myth, same as when a kid points out obvious flaws in our society we train ourselves to never see, never speak of, never address - and then we go and call it a "distorted worldview" and label them mentally ill, then try to medicate them into acceptance of the lies we tell ourselves in order to avoid facing unpleasant realities.
Seeing the world as it is, that ain't crazy - the crazies are the ones who blind themselves to realities they do not have the courage to face, folk like this nutter who thought shooting one of the few politicians who *did* leave their ivory tower and try to talk to people would accomplish anything, folk like the nutters who think the dog and pony show of a courtroom actually MEANS anything but one side outguns the other...
THAT, is crazy.
Oh, and Mikey - the position of "Department of AND THEN WHAT?" is filled, get yer own cabinet post!
And FYI, I happen to know Larry, hell, I've touted his MHI books more than once - doesn't mean I agree with his politics, cause in that respect he's something of an ass and allows partisanship to blind him to plain reality, but then a damned lot of people do that, from every single direction of the political spectrum.
As to the shooting itself, it kind of appalls me a mite that no one shot back, as Arizona isn't as hostile to CCW as most states, but then again this was a crowded shopping mall parking lot and it's quite likely anyone who was packing didn't have a clean shot or was more focused on getting people into cover and safe, which I can completely understand - some folk *did* tackle his ass and disarm him, mind you, an act of personal heroism which has been completely overlooked by everyone else within this discussion, and I find that a mite offensive.
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Ms. Patricia Maisch was at the event, in the rear of the line, waiting to take a photograph with Congresswoman Giffords when the suspect began shooting. When the suspect tried to load a fresh magazine into his weapon, Ms. Maisch was able to grab the bottom of the magazine and prevent it from being inserted. This pause in shooting allowed for two men, Roger Salzgeber and Bill D. Badger, to tackle the suspect to the ground and restrain him until deputies arrived. An additional male, Joseph Zamudio, also assisted in restraining the suspect’s legs. Initial information reported Ms. Maisch was injured during the event. This information was inaccurate and she did not report having any injuries.
It doesn't necessarily TAKE a firearm (although in many situations it helps) to stop an incident of this nature, but rather someone taking an opportunity presented, as they did here.
Credit where it's due, these peoples actions prevented further casualties, and that should be respected.
Also creditable is the Official Response, which came within 3.5 minutes of the initial 911 call, bagged up the suspect at 4.5 minutes, and was initiating first aid and trauma response within 5 minutes.
You know, people, bullets don't give a fuck about someones politics when they're in the air, and the time to think about that sorta thing is before someone puts em there.
But then, what do I know, I'm just one of the crazy-talkers, right ?
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Completely Serious
Congresswoman, wife to astronaut, mother of 2 survives....
Much to the chagrin of Gino.
There are some ugly, classless folks in the world. Sadly, you're one of them.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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