Afghan women and the Taliban - please take the time to read
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Friday, July 14, 2023 00:00
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Don't that.
If you want, I can start new threads about all the genocides that are going on in the world right now. Won't that be cheery?
Where are you posting from?
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Quote:Peru.
Originally posted by Niki2:
Where are you posting from?
Can't Take (my gorram) Sky
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Quote:OK, I won't.
Originally posted by Niki2:Quote:Don't that.
CTS: If you want, I can start new threads about all the genocides that are going on in the world right now. Won't that be cheery?
But I am curious.
You had originally said:
Quote:But you say now you don't want to hear about atrocities around the world. The only reason you posted about the atrocities in Afghanistan is because it affects our lives (with our military there) and our own politics.
...we all too easily forget what's happening outside our own lives and our own politics.
It seems to be a double message. On one hand you want to remember something that is happening OUTSIDE our lives and politics, but really...only as long as it is tied somehow to our lives and politics.
Maybe "outside" doesn't mean what I think it means?
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Damn, you told us that before...sorry, I forgot. Strangely, tho', I don't think of Peru as a "third-world country".
I probably didn't say it right, as to your second post.
By "outside our lives and our politics", I was referring to things outside our daily lives and the petty politics we usually focus on. Afghanistan affects our lives and our politics, but only in a peripheral way, it's not something we usually think about or discuss daily,and we usually don't talk or think about the country and people themselves, but more about the political and financial aspects it has on our country. Whereas atrocities around the world really don't affect our lives, our government or our politics much.
Am I being clearer about the distinction? I'm not sure, but I hope you understand what I was trying to say.
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Quote:I think they should.
Originally posted by Niki2:
Whereas atrocities around the world really don't affect our lives, our government or our politics much.
We give more attention to the possible future climate of the planet than to the current people of the planet who are suffering right now.
If that is not a case of "I've got mine, you're on your own to get yours," I don't know what is.
My bitterness is not directed at you. Just a lifelong frustration with American myopia.
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I agree VERY wholeheartedly. Most of us haven't the slightest grasp of how people in other countries live or what they face. "American myopia" is a good term for it...it's not even lack of education so much, because people aren't interested in being educated.
I think it should be in our consciousness too, but trying to make it so with all the atrocities and wrongs in the world would take all day, every day, unfortunately.
I support Save the Children, RAWA and several other causes of things overseas. I realize we should "take care of our own first", but as someone recently mentioned (might have been you CTTS), even our poorest citizens live in what people in other parts of the world would consider "wealth". What little I give doesn't help much, but it's better than nothing.
I also give to environmental causes, but that's just me. I DO care about this little blue marble, and believe that humans come and go, but if we fuck it up too bad, we'll all "go".
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Originally posted by SignyM:
There are other ways to help, though. First do no harm. The US should stop funding and arming groups which have a misogyny as a basic tenet. The Taliban (and the warlords) were fertilized by the USA in our never-ending quest to make the world safe for corporatism. We did, so yipee for us.
I'm glad someone mentioned that. I think it is all too easy to sit back and say 'gosh, doesn't horrible stuff happen throughout the world' and then wring our hands helplessly. The truth is that a lot of extremism, conflict, lawlessness and atrocities happen in places as a result of interference from global powers, including the US. The history of the Taliban's growth in power is inextricably linked to US involvement in that region, even to the point where there was fairly recent funding of the Taliban.
Signy's right..you should be able to base international relationships on whether countries respect human rights, shared values and so on, but more often relationships are based on economics and ideology and screw the fact that they do barbaric things.
But then it's typical of recent hypocracies...
we support freedom and human rights
(except when we want to imprison and interrogate terrorist suspects) etc etc
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The history of the Taliban's growth in power is inextricably linked to US involvement in that region, even to the point where there was fairly recent funding of the Taliban.
Really? What kind of funding?
It's not personal. It's just war.
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Most recently
http://www.thenation.com/article/how-us-funds-taliban
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Ultimately this is pretty much what the whole conflict is about. Why do Muslim extremists hate Americans? We never shared common interests, they made good trading partners, they liked our guns, we liked their horses...we never tried to colonize them...what set them off all of a sudden? The answer is freedom. They realized that if freedom takes hold it leads to equality between the sexes and getting along with the Jews.
I agreed with much of your post before this; however, reasons why Muslim extremists hate America:
Pre Bush:
1) Support of Israel
2) Support of Israel
3) Military bases in Muslim lands
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4) Liberal Western culture
Post Bush:
1) Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
2) Support of Israel
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3) Liberal Western culture
4) Military bases in Muslim lands
From listening to terrorists' interviews, Al Qaeda propaganda videos etc., this is the view I get. They rarely express outrage at or distaste for Western 'freedoms' - not much more than China and India (other tradition-minded Asian societies).
It's not personal. It's just war.
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