autism the reality of it

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TWO

Monday, October 11, 2010 4:05 PM

FearTheBunnyman: How many North Americas who aren't Chinese know what Confucianism is? Not enough to support a TV show, even if you count Koreans and Japanese who do know. If Joss wrote down everything he knew about that religion, it would cover the paper in a fortune cookie. But Confucianism is the essence of Chinese! So what? Simon, by cutting all relationships with his hospital, his parents, his friends, is acting very Non-Confucianism.

And as far as Scientific Agnosticism, no scientists would go on a Mission Impossible rescue for their sisters until they tried more sedate methods. Simon went straight for the crazy, first thing: getting in contact with the "Underground", whatever they are. Maybe they are bomb-throwers. And he got himself arrested. Simon doesn't fit the Scientific Agnosticism profile, either.

Simon is a TV secular Christian as written by an Atheist, Joss Whedon.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

MSA

Monday, October 11, 2010 4:07 PM

Love the article...Thanks:)

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

BYTEMITE

Monday, October 11, 2010 4:15 PM

Now that two has explained himself more, I think he might be right. Believing something is right independent of whether honoured mother and father and the country think it is right, and acting on it, is a Christian mindset.

It's also a very good Christian mindset. I don't think two meant any offense when he claimed this.

And... His description of how a scientific atheist/agnostic would act is accurate, unless that person were particularly inclined towards paranoia as well. Simon's conclusion was not the most logical conclusion he might first jump to. It is, however, a conclusion *I* would jump to, being both paranoid AND a scientific atheist.

THEHAPPYTRADER

Monday, October 11, 2010 4:29 PM

I'm mostly agreeing with ya byte, save that one comment on running from parents and starting a secret church thing(which may have been a joke I suppose). I don't see running from parents and starting over as being christian. However, running from parents, screwing up, crawling back home and having your whole family rejoice and feast on your safe return, not caring about your mistakes, is rather christian. I believe their was a parable as such.

Also, Simon seems too passive to form his own... anything. The only time he ever takes a stand is for River, and I suppose Kaylee if you count his response to Early's threats. This could change I suppose if Simon ever becomes more confident out in the black and on the rim, but with the exception of Ariel, Simon seems more like a follower than a leader.

EDIT: in case it wasn't obvious, the secret church bit came from two not byte.

TWO

Monday, October 11, 2010 4:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Now that two has explained himself more, I think he might be right. Believing something is right independent of whether honoured mother and father and the country think it is right, and acting on it, is a Christian mindset. It's also a very good Christian mindset. I don't think two meant any offense when he claimed this.

Well written, Bytemite, and I believe that. But because you didn't use incendiary language, I never would have written what you wrote. Shamefully, I did mean to get an emotional reaction from FearTheBunnyMan. Proudly, I did not fail.

Getting back to the very first post in this thread: Ari Ne’eman, first autistic Presidential appointee, is a useful public servant. Everyone should read the article.

The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

FEARTHEBUNNYMAN

Monday, October 11, 2010 9:30 PM

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"Scientific Agnosticism" is not a religion.

Hmm. I'm a scientific atheist, yet I'm not prepared to deny the possibility that it's a form of religion.

Certainly individuals can be militant about their beliefs - ANY beliefs, but that does not make it a "religion" as such. A philosophy, perhaps, but there is a distinction, and one that people tend to forget.

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How many North Americas who aren't Chinese know what Confucianism is?

Plenty where I'm from.

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Not enough to support a TV show, even if you count Koreans and Japanese who do know. If Joss wrote down everything he knew about that religion, it would cover the paper in a fortune cookie.

So you're suggesting Joss is "dumbing down his show" for the audience? Does that sound like Joss to you?

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But Confucianism is the essence of Chinese! So what? Simon, by cutting all relationships with his hospital, his parents, his friends, is acting very Non-Confucianism.

No True Scotsman fallacy. Look it up.
additionally, I raised Confucianism as a suggestion for Simon's religious/philosophical background, (incidentally I suggested Buddhism as well - basically any common Eastern religion). That doesn't mean he's a regular practitioner as such. Just wanted to make sure we were clear on that.

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And as far as Scientific Agnosticism, no scientists would go on a Mission Impossible rescue for their sisters until they tried more sedate methods.

Again with the No True Scotsman fallacy.

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Simon went straight for the crazy, first thing: getting in contact with the "Underground", whatever they are. Maybe they are bomb-throwers.

That's a huge assumption. How do you know Simon didn't do his research, (recall he was searching for her, and for answers, for at least two years before he got her). I doubt finding the underground movement was even close to the first thing he did, but rather that he was seeking all avenues and slowly uncovered a vast government conspiracy. Going with outlaws was more likely the act of a desperate man who realized there were no other viable options.

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Simon is a TV secular Christian as written by an Atheist, Joss Whedon.

Perhaps, but I doubt it, for the reasons I've outlined.

@Bytemite:

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Believing something is right independent of whether honoured mother and father and the country think it is right, and acting on it, is a Christian mindset.

It is not, however, a mindset exclusive to Christians.

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And... His description of how a scientific atheist/agnostic would act is accurate, unless that person were particularly inclined towards paranoia as well.

See: No True Scotsman. Also, we're talking about a human being here (well, a character), not a robotic, pre-programmed construct.

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Simon's conclusion was not the most logical conclusion he might first jump to. It is, however, a conclusion *I* would jump to, being both paranoid AND a scientific atheist.

again, that conclusion is contingent upon an assumption which may well be an incorrect assumption - the idea that Simon "jumped to" his method of breaking out River right away, without investigating anything first. I just highly doubt that.

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Shamefully, I did mean to get an emotional reaction from FearTheBunnyMan. Proudly, I did not fail.

You did, actually - fail that is. I had no idea that's what you were trying to do, you just came across as a little unhinged and I was baffled. And now I'm even more baffled. I suppose that could be considered an emotion?

Back to the original thread topic, I located one of the autism vids I was thinking about, but there was another one I'm still trying to find. This once is "narrated" by an autistic fellow who's basically describing what it's like for him:

BYTEMITE

Monday, October 11, 2010 10:16 PM

Actually, I know what the No True Scotsman Fallacy is. I don't recall saying that "Any scientific atheist/agnostic worth their salt would act like Simon did," I seem to recall saying that Simon acts in ways I have seen other scientific atheists/agnostics act, including myself.

The implication is: "His description of how an atheist/agnostic would act is accurate according to my observations." The suggestion is that I identify on some level with how he might act were I in his situation, and that the commonality might be shared belief in scientific agnostic/atheism.

Of course, this does not constrain other scientific atheists/agnostics, so more likely my inclusion of it was an irrelevant factor.

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again, that conclusion is contingent upon an assumption which may well be an incorrect assumption - the idea that Simon "jumped to" his method of breaking out River right away, without investigating anything first. I just highly doubt that.

This, however, might be true and I concede the point.

FEARTHEBUNNYMAN

Monday, October 11, 2010 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Actually, I know what the No True Scotsman Fallacy is. I don't recall saying that "Any scientific atheist/agnostic worth their salt would act like Simon did," I seem to recall saying that Simon acts in ways I have seen other scientific atheists/agnostics act, including myself.

The implication is: "His description of how an atheist/agnostic would act is accurate according to my observations."

I see, I misread you then. And I don't see Simon as NOT being potentially scientific/agnostic, I think it's a pretty valid theory.

BORIS

Monday, October 11, 2010 11:08 PM

Erk crowds! discomfort factor+++++++..I'm aiming to go to a Dragon or Comic ocn in the next 5 years and am prepping myself for the inevitable accidental touching-unintentional-in-your-faceness-other-peoples-smells-and-voices...but mostly the touching...and the waiting. I'm going to try and go with people I know so they can buffer me from strangers. My signal for "I need to get outta here" is unsubtle, I just close my eyes and stand still...it pisses other people off but it makes them walk around rather than too close to me so I'm cool if people I don't know think I'm a freak. I always sit at the front of the bus or the class to minimise distractions...it took me about 4 months to get used to the whirring and buzzing of the aircon and sound systems in lecture theatres at university and over the years my classmates have learned to warn me before coming up behind or beside me and not to hug without warning. I actually get most sarcasm unless it's someone new and I don't know what their sense of humour is like. I am apparently pretty sarcastic which I think is funny as It took me so long to work it out in others. I also have a rep for being funny and I think that's because I actively studied what makes different people laugh. ASD kids spend alot of time obsessing about trains and Starwars etc from about 8 or so I used my "obsessive" skills to study human behaviour instead. I had a note book and went about it rather scientifically and even did social experiments to check reactions to various behavioural stimuli. I'm sure peeps didn't like it at the time but I've found it all very useful. I don't do eye contact. I do study peoples faces if I don't know them as I'm a wizz at reading facial expressions. My friends are used to me not looking at them when we talk.

Rose S

NCBROWNCOAT

Monday, October 11, 2010 11:31 PM

D*C=Wonderfulness! Also LOTS of Aspies go to D*C.
I've been with my daughter the last 3 years. Crowds are inevitable there and dear daughter almost had a meltdown in the registration line. Fortunately we got our badges just in time.
She prefers not to go to the dealers rooms (talk about crowded) and tends to hang out with the gamers.
We also stay at one of the hotels that are about a block away from the main ones so we both have a quiet space to retreat to when things get too hectic. Plus it's cheaper!
I have ti say that computers have been fantastic for her. Not only does it cure the awful handwriting (she has some trouble with very fine motor skills)she can contact friends all over the world and talk and game etc. The barrier of a computer allows her to come out of her shell and connect with other people.
BTW She's in community college for computer networking and is also a fledgling web designer.
I have to say she's gotten lots more support at the community college than in grade school. Her CC is small with small classes and the have allowed her to go at much of her own pace by taking just shy of a full load. She also has access to peer tutors and the most amazing private math tutor ever. He puts math in context for her and she has really learned a lot (unlike in the public school.)

http://fireflyfaninnc.livejournal.com/

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