Imponderables: Oh Baby...

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MSA

Thursday, June 3, 2010 6:57 PM

I have multiple degrees... I use almost nothing from any of them except while watching trivia game shows...experience trumps knowledge any time!!!

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

RUGBUG

Thursday, June 3, 2010 7:31 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
To me placing blame like that is just a cop out. It doesn't seem healthy to me. Own the problem and work on a solution. Don't waste time or energy on blame.

Absolutely!

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

ZEEK

Thursday, June 3, 2010 9:42 PM

Well at least I'm not alone in thinking like this. To me that article completely missed the mark. Assigning blame should not have been the focus. If anything it should have been a cautionary tale to parents and prospective college students about things to look out for.

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Friday, June 4, 2010 2:11 AM

I see both sides of the story. I myself am angry at life because of my student loans too. I don't have experience because I was getting an education, but if I didn't get that education, you'd call me out on that.

I'm actually on my way to getting another degree, because I want to do something different in life. But the college is much cheaper, and I got a pretty good grant from them. So at the end it will only be a couple thousand more. It doesn't really make much of a difference when you're already 50K in the hole with student loans.

But also, it seems like she took out more money than she needed and didn't care. Also her being on her own probably doesn't help. Yeah it sucks to live with parents, but I know I can't afford to be on my own and pay bills, so I don't.

P.S. I hope loan stress didn't do that to me! She DOES look way older! :o/

ZEEK

Friday, June 4, 2010 2:36 PM

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Originally posted by averyfinecompanion:
I see both sides of the story. I myself am angry at life because of my student loans too. I don't have experience because I was getting an education, but if I didn't get that education, you'd call me out on that.

I think the best career move I made in college was doing a work/study type program. After my sophomore year I worked for a company over the summer and straight through the fall semester. Then I was supposed to go back to school for a semester and then go back to school and basically go back and forth between work and school and take 5 years to graduate. Didn't work out that way as the tech bubble burst after that first work session. Still it got me a bunch of experience that helped me land another internship which led to a job offer after I graduated only one semester late.

So, basically it still came down to experience getting me a job. All the college did was hook me up with job fairs where I could land the work study job and the internship. Amazing how much I had to pay for so little.

RUGBUG

Friday, June 4, 2010 4:29 PM

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Originally posted by averyfinecompanion:

But also, it seems like she took out more money than she needed and didn't care. Also her being on her own probably doesn't help. Yeah it sucks to live with parents, but I know I can't afford to be on my own and pay bills, so I don't.

Yes...and she went to a school that she couldn't afford in the first place...with a course of study that didn't offer a high salary afterward. If you're going to rack up that much debt to go to a big name school, the degree you're getting better lead to a big job to pay off that debt. There was no way this woman was going to be making enough to pay her loans as a photographer.

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"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

AVERYFINECOMPANION

Friday, June 4, 2010 5:59 PM

True, I do blame myself a little. I have a degree that I don't want to work in anymore (criminology). But I was in my third year in school when I changed my mind, I wasn't about to start all over again. That's why I'm going back.

But yeah, if I were going to NYU, I'd def would have picked a more lucrative study.

Rugbug, I did a work study too, but it was really just for financial aid, it had nothing to do with my major. Though I LOVED working in the library.

If money were no object I think I'd go back for library science. The university here has a program for it but it's hella expensive. So I'm going for IT at one of the trade schools instead.

I do love working with computers.

MSA

Friday, June 4, 2010 6:39 PM

Well you know avery you could always do what I did with my criminal psychology degrees ... be a special ed teacher.

Hey first post from new phone

To love someone is to see a miracle invisible to others.
--Francois Mauriac
It's fuzzy-minded liberal thinking like that that gets you eaten.

ZEEK

Friday, June 4, 2010 6:44 PM

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Originally posted by MsA:
Hey first post from new phone

While driving and putting on makeup?

5 seconds later:
youtube.com/v/tWk4MCQaHrc&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&fs=1

STINKINGROSE

Friday, June 4, 2010 7:21 PM

Just to butt in on the conversation:

I guess it sort of depends on what you want to do once you're out of school.

After 5.5 years I finally paid off my community college nursing school loans. Now I'm going back to school to pick up science courses I never took when I got my BFA 17 years ago. (Decided to not do Theater during the last year, of course...)
I'm picking off some of the courses through an extension program this summer because the University wants over $17,000 for 12 credits. (One semester.)
I need to get the courses because they're prerequisites for medical school.
Talk about hella expensive? Yeah.
There is no financial aid for me in this state b/c I already have a bachelor's degree.
I can get federal loans if I matriculate, but not if I just want to take courses. (The bulk of this will be done at another local state college either way.)
Even at the in-state rate at the state college I want to attend for med school it's still crazy costly.
US med schools are jacking up the tuition yearly.
I'm probably looking at $150,000 to a quarter million in debt after medical school. (All together now: suck your eyeballs in through your ears!)
Luckily after I finish a residency (3-8 years) I'll be earning enough to actually pay off the loans eventually.
I literally cannot afford to fail once I've entered medical school.
I'm also considering some accredited schools in the Caribbean, which wouldn't cost quite as much, and looking wistfully at countries which don't make you pay for becoming a doctor. (If the government pays for healthcare it makes sense to encourage sufficient providers in the long run? College is just generally free in some places?)
Hopefully I'll be able to find some kind of grant or scholarship or something, but I've got a family in an established location and can't just uproot them while I go play doctor so to speak. I can't really pull a "Northern Exposure" and indenture myself in exchange for the cost of my education. Not that I wouldn't be willing.
Unfortunately I also can't really just say "hmm. Think I'll try a correspondence certificate course in doctifyin'!" and get away with it. For long.
Same goes for nursing, it's college level stuff which you use every day you work.
In terms of the education vs experience argument, no matter how long you work as a nurse you'll never be able to do what a doctor does without going to college.
I have met LPNs who've been nurses for ages who could run rings around me when I was a new grad RN. They still couldn't do some of the stuff I could and didn't have the in-depth understanding of some stuff, but they were damned good nurses. The only way to get experience is by doing the job. Every nurse with 15 years under her belt was once jelly-bellied on her first day of work ever.

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