Net Neutrality: Almost Gone
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2023 18:29
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Quote:Except in the case of monopolies or oligopolies when there is no "elsewhere". And particularly when (in this case) the carrier has a business interest in the content. Once a business gets large enough, it will dictate TO YOU. That is the failing of capitalism which you haven't yet clued in on... by the natural operation of the market (especially the stock market) and through forces such as economies of scale, businesses consolidate. The nature of capitalism is to ELIMINATE competition over time.
The interests in the free market dictates taht what the public wants the public can get. If not, they'll go elsewhere
Quote:Again, you've got it 100% backwards. The government is not (in this case) seeking to "control" anything. And do you think you'd REALLY have a say in the matter if Comcast had control of your content? BTW
Under Gov't control ( and yes, that is what we're talking about here ) , you have no real say in the matter.
Quote:Yeah, but that's not what he promised. Wrong place, wrong duration. Still waiting for him to move to Costa Rica!
I believe Rush recently visited The Czech Republic, but you can read that for yourself.
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Originally posted by SignyM: Again, you've got it 100% backwards. The government is not (in this case) seeking to "control" anything. And do you think you'd REALLY have a say in the matter if Comcast had control of your content?
Yes, I really do. I dropped Comcast, and all cable subscription, for several years. If I get to the point where I feel I need to do so again, I will.
I'm not afraid. Are you?
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Well, who controls your internet access as of this point? Verizon? AT&T? Comcast? SBC? And if they start monkeying with your content, who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters? And where ya gonna go? Costa Rica?
You depend on a business SOMEWHERE for basic access to communication. SOMEBODY owns the phone lines, the fiberoptics, the satellites. Sooner or later, you have to depend on SOME physical infrastructure. Do you want THEM controlling where you go, and what you see? And if you don't, what are your options? That is the question.
Anyway, out of here for today.
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Quote:Wait..we have choices? More than 1 option for internet? Huh. Not what you alleged before.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, who controls your internet access as of this point? Verizon? AT&T? Comcast? SBC? And if they start monkeying with your content, who ya gonna call? Ghostbusters? And where ya gonna go? Costa Rica?
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You depend on a business SOMEWHERE for basic access to communication. SOMEBODY owns the phone lines, the fiberoptics, the satellites. Sooner or later, you have to depend on SOME physical infrastructure. Do you want THEM controlling where you go, and what you see? And if you don't, what are your options? That is the question.
Anyway, out of here for today.
I trust the free market FAR more than I trust the Government. Always.
The Founders were of like mind, too. Try and remember that, if ya can.
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Irony being if a Republican was in the White House, Rappy would be going on about how necessary it is for the Gov. to be involved in the internet for security reasons.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:Actually, you don't, and that was my point. If you had even made a minor attempt to answer the question- check around your house for the PHYSICAL lines of internet communication - you would have realized that.
Wait..we have choices? More than 1 option for internet? Huh. Not what you alleged before.
So, what ARE your choices? We have... Verizon. That's it. And you?
Quote:Even if the so-called free market is a monopoly? Then you're a fool.
I trust the free market FAR more than I trust the Government. Always.
Quote:No they weren't. There is nothing in the Constitution about the protection of capitalism. But if you think so, be a good fellow and find it for us. Like I said before, I'll wait.
The Founders were of like mind, too. Try and remember that, if ya can.
But in fact, back in the early days of independence, corporations were strictly controlled by the states.
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After independence, corporations received their charters from states and the charters were for a limited period, like 20 or 30 years, not in perpetuity. They were only allowed to deal in one commodity, they could not hold stock in other corporations, their property holdings were limited to what was necessary for their business, their headquarters had to be located in the state of their principle business, monopolies had their charges regulated by the state, and all corporate documents were open to the legislature. Any political contribution by a corporation was treated as a criminal offence.Corporations could, and often did, have their charters removed if the state considered that their activities harmed its people.
www.feasta.org/documents/review2/unequal_protection.htm
"Freedom" to them did NOT mean "free markets", and certainly did not mean unfettered corporatism. As Jefferson said:
Quote:Also,
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
Quote:Abraham Lincoln
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
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I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless."
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I learned something today! Hope I remember it. My memory is getting increasingly untrustworthy, and it was never that good to begin with.
The indecipherable sticky notes are the worst. Was I supposed to understand them somehow? Maybe they were put there by future me instead of past me, and the reason they don't make sense is because I don't have the necessary experience to understand them. Either way, I don't remember putting them there. And I really wish whoever is doing it would stop writing in CODE. Goddamn.
There's a lot more to the story than what appears here...Some of what hasn't been told has been slipped down the memory hole...And , some of the story that is profferred to the somnambulant public IS propaganda...
Anyways , on a lighter note , I enjoyed the little personal tidbit , Byte...Reminded me just a bit of a film that I like ; if you haven't seen it , you might enjoy it :
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm650480640/tt0453467
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0453467/plotsummary
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Irony being if a Republican was in the White House, Rappy would be going on about how necessary it is for the Gov. to be involved in the internet for security reasons.
Nonsense. Is that the best you have ?
Sig, as we've so plainly seen, by a stroke of the pen, the Fed Gov't can damn near do away with or take control of any corporation or industry. But that's a red herring, as far as this matter goes.
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Compelling, but non persuasive. The interests in the free market dictates taht what the public wants, the public can get. If not, they'll go elsewhere. Under Gov't control ( and yes, that is what we're talking about here ) , you have no real say in the matter.
I'm not so sure we have a free market. Corporations and government both have too much power, both have incentives to control information and by doing so control consumption and profits.
A problem exists in how consumers are willing to accept the convenience and cheap prices of a corporation over checking the excesses of a corporation and keeping the corporation honest and ethical. The appeal of a free market is that it should be self-policing. Corporations and the government both prevent the market from being self-policing for their own interests. They use lies/misinformation, cover up the truth, and work together to pass laws to make certain purchases mandatory and to regulate the industry, which drives out small local business.
No corporation can ever be completely under the gun of the government. They have money, power, and overseas connections; this is why corporations have recently been moving their power and employment base overseas. The US Gov't has a vested interest in keeping corporations HERE, and so tends to try to work with them and side with them more often than you might think.
The take over of the US automobile industry, as you note, and the much earlier takeover of the utilities industry was likely by the choice and according to the desire of both entities. Being under government control allows certain corporations unique protections, and also forces a mandate on the public to buy their products.
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This is the very essence of freedom. The WHY the internet poses such a risk to big Government.
But this is true.
You just have to realize, though, that the internet poses the same risk for Corporations.
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Who is it, in SERENITY, which tries to hide their tracks, and limit access ? The Alliance, ( aka - The Imperial Federal GOv't ) ?
Also true. But you forget that an entity called Blue Sun, a CORPORATION, exists that has very close and very suspicious ties with the Alliance.
Blue Sun created River Tam, judging by her reaction to Blue Sun labels. Blue Sun was a contractor working at the behest of Alliance officials, who even let said Alliance officials walk in to look at her, because they were making her for them.
Similarly, Miranda was likely a joint project between the Alliance and Blue Sun. Joss has said that he wanted to address the idea that Pax was something that Blue Sun had created, but he had to cut it because of movie length issues. I also note that Miranda is in the Blue Sun system, and I have my suspicions that terraforming on the planets in the Blue Sun system was done by Blue Sun the corporation.
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