Net Neutrality: Almost Gone
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2023 18:29
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BTE Apparently Cern didn't get involved until the early 1980s.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Yes,it did. It was a defense project to create an uninterruptable communication system that could be used in times of warfare. The concept was that data packets could be sent out on different pathways ... even use satellite communication... and still be reintegrated at the end. If you will notice, the initial players (besides DARPA) were universities. The first US satellite communication was by the government. The first geosynchronous comsats were launched by NASA (which BTW are still in orbit). The idea of geosynchronous orbits was first explored by soviet (government) rocket scientists and proposed by a science fiction write; Arthur Clarke. The launch vehicles were all government (Thor and Delta rockets) Even the router (CISCO) was invented by a university geek, Bill Yeager. Unfortunately,
Gov't did not " invent " the internet.Quote:www.networkworld.com/supp/2006/anniversary/032706-routerman.html
William (Bill) Yeager is 66 and still gets peeved when someone trots out the Silicon Valley fable about how the founders of Cisco invented the router. He was the guy at Stanford University that made it happen.
So AFA the "invention" of the internet, business was nowhere involved. Your denial is limitless, but at least other people can learn the facts, even if you can't.Quote:There is a difference between inventing something and implementing it. But in the case of the internet, business did not do the main share of implementation. In fact, most of the servers worldwide run on some version of Linux and Sun, which are free software, and the protocols are agreed on by international standards bodies. www.w3.org www.isc.org
It was private sector ingenuity that took the idea and ran with it....
Funny thing is, business CAN take credit for blue-sky research... but you just haven't figured out what that was. Hint: Not the internet.
Quote:Here's the thing, Rappy: The government doesn't want the internet controlled by ANYONE. It's like the free speech clause in the Constitution. I know it's a little hard for you to grasp, since you seem to think that freedom drips from corporations like honey, but the government is trying to guarantee your totally unfettered access to the lines of communication.
It's about the free transfer of information. YOU want it to be controlled by the Gov't ?
You? Sheesh. Get some knowledge goin', boy, 'cause you don't know which side your bread is buttered on.
Or you're a big-time stock player, and you DO know, and you think we're stupid enough to buy your crap. Either way, go shovel it elsewhere.
Signy, I bow to you. You are just awesome. :)
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Er... if I have anyone to thank, it's my hubby. He got deeply into computers back in the day when you had to toggle the "load" commands in binary into the front of the computer, and it would activate the paper-tape reader which held (what is now called) the BIOS (Basic Input Output System). And he only got deeper from there (although curiously, his real love is analog electronics). He actually made a personal computer long before Cromemco, IBM, Atari, or anyone else. (We still have it in the garage, I helped wire-wrap it, he designed it and wrote the BIOS. He even had hot-pluggable drives.) So I've learned a lot about the computing world, whether I wanted to or not! 
I wish I could entice him onto the board, Kwicko. I think you'd really like talking to him. He's got your sense of logic!
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I learned something today! Hope I remember it. My memory is getting increasingly untrustworthy, and it was never that good to begin with.
The indecipherable sticky notes are the worst. Was I supposed to understand them somehow? Maybe they were put there by future me instead of past me, and the reason they don't make sense is because I don't have the necessary experience to understand them. Either way, I don't remember putting them there. And I really wish whoever is doing it would stop writing in CODE. Goddamn.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Here's the thing, Rappy: The government doesn't want the internet controlled by ANYONE. It's like the free speech clause in the Constitution. I know it's a little hard for you to grasp, since you seem to think that freedom drips from corporations like honey, but the government is trying to guarantee your totally unfettered access to the lines of communication.
It's about the free transfer of information. YOU want it to be controlled by the Gov't ?
You? Sheesh. Get some knowledge goin', boy, 'cause you don't know which side your bread is buttered on.
Or you're a big-time stock player, and you DO know, and you think we're stupid enough to buy your crap. Either way, go shovel it elsewhere.
Just like the Gov't practiced free access of information with the Fairness Doctrine ? Man, you're such a gullible and deluded little Alliance suck up.
We all know, you long for the days when we had 3 networks, and f.m. radio stations only played the top 40 " best " songs - who needs to hear more than that,right? - and the a.m. dial was full of local swap meets, an old man reading the newspaper or some good old classical music. Maybe a few gospel hours, thrown in , just for good measure.
Spare me your sad analogy of having my bread buttered. In YOUR mind, we get what bread we are given by the Imperial Federal Gov't, and should be glad for it and anyone who has a problem with it should shut the hell up!
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Rappy: And you trust YOUR freedom to Comcast? I have NEVER seen a corporation write anything like the Constitution, staking a claim that you have a RIGHT to free speech... or any other rights, for that matter! Have you? If you have, please post them here. Take your time. I'll wait.
The immediate choice is very clear: Is your access to the internet controlled by corporations or not controlled at all?
That is the immediate question in front of you.
In this case, the government is acting properly ... performing its proper duties as a government... by standing up for YOUR RIGHTS to unbiased access versus business rights to control your access to internet content.
You're such a corporate today, you'd give your individual rights (and ours too) to the corporations.
Sheesh.
Talk about selling your soul.
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BYTE: Don't feel bad about your memory. I have a peculiar one. Some things stick forever. But I have a BIG white board in the kitchen, filled with reminders of what to buy- do: close our BoA account, check up in the new window delivery, order fish oil, file quarterly household employer taxes, find our passports (I put them away so carefully I can't remember where they went! 
), the menu for the week... honestly, if I didn't write all this shit down I've have Somebody Important pounding on our door for something...
And yeah, I take B12 and fish oil.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy: And you trust YOUR freedom to Comcast? I have NEVER seen a corporation write anything like the Constitution, staking a claim that you have a RIGHT to free speech... or any other rights, for that matter! Have you? If you have, please post them here. Take your time. I'll wait.
The issue is very clear: Is your access to the internet provided by the free market or COMPLETELY controlled by the Imperial Federal Gov't.
That is the immediate question in front of you.
Fixed that for ya, dear.
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In this case, the government is acting properly ... performing its proper duties as a government... by standing up for YOUR RIGHTS to unbiased access versus business rights to control your access to internet content.
You're such a corporate today, you'd give your individual rights (and ours too) to the corporations.
Sheesh.
Talk about selling your soul.
Freedom of the Press means no Gov't intervention. The Gov't can, if it wants, enter into the free market of ideas and offer its own voice, but it has NO right to limit, ban or censor FREE SPEECH.
Figured you'd have realized that by now.
Sadly, 'tis not the case.
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Quote:EXCEPT where the government has to step in to ensure freedom of the press!
Freedom of the Press means no Gov't intervention.
Rappy, do you have your head up your ass for the warmth?
You've got the issue 100% backwards... no doubt because you've been plugged in to Glenn Beck and fatso Limbaugh (BTW, is he ever leaving for Costa Rica? Or was he just making shit up again?)
"Net neutrality" is NOT about the government controlling internet content. It's not some sort of "fairness doctrine". The question is whether or not the owners of the physical lines, routers etc can determine the content on those lines. Can Comcast make this site inaccessible? Can AT&T make Google inaccessible? Can SBC block Amazon?
Net neutrality simply requires that "the net" treat all traffic equally, no matter the source or destination.
And what's YOUR argument? That the line owners SHOULD be able to determine what get communicated and to whom? That's a little like saying that Verizon should be able to prevent you from calling into the AT&T network!
In this case, the government is NOT banning free speech. What it is doing is ensuring free speech by ensuring equal access.
Like Mr. Universe said "You can't stop the signal, Mal". Only, you want to, Rappy.
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Quote:Pointless, childish insult - check
Originally posted by SignyM:
Rappy, do you have your head up your ass for the warmth?
Quote:Mindless diversionary tactics, offering up red herrings into the discussion - check
You've got the issue 100% backwards... no doubt because you've been plugged in to Glenn Beck and fatso Limbaugh (BTW, is he ever leaving for Costa Rica? Or was he just making shit up again?)
I believe Rush recently visited The Czech Republic, but you can read that for yourself.... http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_040710/content/01125112.gu
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"Net neutrality" is NOT about the government controlling internet content. It's not some sort of "fairness doctrine". The question is whether or not the owners of the physical lines, routers etc can determine the content on those lines. Can Comcast make this site inaccessible? Can AT&T make Google inaccessible? Can SBC block Amazon?
Net neutrality simply requires that "the net" simply treat all traffic equally, no matter the source or destination.
And what's YOUR argument? That the line owners SHOULD be able to determine what get communicated and to whom? That's a little like saying that Verizon should be able to prevent you from calling into the AT&T network!
In this case, the government is NOT banning free speech. What it is doing is ensuring free speech by ensuring equal access.
Like Mr. Universe said "You can't stop the signal, Mal". Only, you want to, Rappy.
Compelling, but non persuasive. The interests in the free market dictates taht what the public wants, the public can get. If not, they'll go elsewhere. Under Gov't control ( and yes, that is what we're talking about here ) , you have no real say in the matter. It's Rick D's, NPR and Farm reports, 24/7.
This is the very essence of freedom. The WHY the internet poses such a risk to big Government. And why the old, archaic, monolithic MSM is reeling in subscription and viewer ship, because folks simply aren't buying the standard " do as we say, think as we think " mindset of the regulated ways of yesteryear.
Who is it, in SERENITY, which tries to hide their tracks, and limit access ? The Alliance, ( aka - The Imperial Federal GOv't ) ? Mr Universe is more on MY side, and it's not even by a little.
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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