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Romanticization of the Civil War

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Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:22 PM

What the McDonnell broo-ha-ha brought up for me was, why this adoration of the Confederacy? You can find Confederate flags in states which had no participation in it, on the back of big pickup trucks, etc. What is so romantic about it? It was hard to find much on the internet, this is about all I found:

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The Antebellum Period can be looked back on with sentimental nostalgia in the US South, as an idealized agrarian and chivalric society, with the moral issues of slavery generally being glossed over. This is due in part to widespread destruction caused during the war by both armies and a lingering resentment of the occupation of the region by Union forces after the Confederacy was defeated. As a result the architecture and fashion of the period were better documented in this region of the United States than in other parts of the country and can be heavily romanticized.
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There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called the Old South. Here in this pretty world, Gallantry took its last bow. Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their Ladies Fair, of Master and of Slave. Look for it only in books, for it is no more than a dream remembered, a Civilization gone with the wind...

From the opening of the film Gone With the Wind

“Old South” is a way of describing the former lifestyle in the Southern United States. The term originally came into use after the American Civil War to describe the antebellum period. Many southern whites used it with nostalgia to represent the memories ofa time of prosperity, social order, and "gracious living". Most blacks saw it as being a reference to the past times of slavery and the plantation economy in which they were chattel property. A desire to return to the order of the "Old South" was a justification for ongoing racial segregation and the continuance of the Jim Crow system.

In this romanticized view, the process of the Industrial Revolution is mythically substituted for by the widespread destruction of Sherman's March to the Sea and by the military occupation of the defeated Confederacy by Union forces during the period termed Reconstruction ( 1865 - 1877). While the South was largely ruined after the Civil War, this had as much or more to do with the failed domestic polices of the Confederacy, notably its impressment of food supplies, and thousands of uprooted civilians, than it did with the scorched earth policy of Sherman. Sherman's March was exclusively limited to Georgia and South Carolina and scorched earth policies were not implemented in Florida, Tennessee, or the Trans-Mississippi states.

More than any other single American artifact, the novel and movie Gone With the Wind have permanently fixed a slanted popularized image of pre-Civil War American history and are good examples of the romanticized view. In the romanticized view, the Antebellum Period is often looked back on with sentimental nostalgia by some whites in the U.S. South, as an idealized pre-industrial highly-structured genteel and stable agrarian society, in contrast to the anxiety and struggle of modern life. The issue of slavery is largely ignored. For example, a romanticized view of the Antebellum South would claim that the Civil War was fought over states' rights rather than slavery, when in actuality the war was fought predominantly over a state's right to allow slavery. Because of slavery and many other human rights abuses, most African Americans find the romanticization of this era to be offensive, and often see a coded approving reference to the racism of the period in the term "Old South".

Once those with personal memories of the antebellum South were largely deceased, the term continued to be used. It was used even as a marketing term, where products were advertised as having "genuine Old South goodness" and the like. However, fraternal and political organizations often used the term to show that they were supporters of white supremacy and segregation, but in a less blantant way.

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Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:32 PM

A partial response, that evidences more reaction than thought:

People are contrary. If you tell them not to do something, then that something becomes irrestibily attractive. If you tell them not to say a word, then that word achieves a tremendous power. And if you tell them not to use a symbol, the symbol seems sort of awesome.

For every person that wags their finger and says that the Confederate flag is a symbol of oppression and evil, there is another person that will pick it up out of spite. The fact that people are hypersensitive about certain issues makes assholes like me just want to needle them over it. Did you know that there are dudes in Scandinavia that sport the Confederate Flag (so called "Raggare") just because it pisses people off? Now imagine you are from the South, and anytime your home comes up, everyone feels obliged to demand you aplogize for slavery.

That said, I have no fondness for the South, or the Confederacy, and when I see the Confederate flag, I wince.

EDIT: My point, if I have one, is that idealization of the Rebs may be in part a response to demonization of the Rebs.

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Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:40 PM

Very astute, Mince!


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Thursday, April 8, 2010 10:10 PM

The Civil War was about a psychic treasonous Rothschild Jew bankster's massacre of 1-million US citizens, and enslavement of all goyim whites and blacks as unratified 14th Amendment "citizens" of the corporate "federal" govt of City of DC Municipal Corporation, in Plantation USA. Forcing Congress to sign under martial law at gunpoint don't count.

Dictator Abe "Lincoln" Rothschild did not free the black slaves when the Civil War started (when the "North" Feds invaded the South States).

The first slaves stripped naked and sold on auction blocks in America were WHITE Europeans.

Some things never change.


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Thursday, April 8, 2010 10:12 PM

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Thursday, April 8, 2010 10:12 PM

PN, if you had lips, I would kiss you, you bad-ass goyisha punim.

I just totally love all the shout outs to my people.

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Thursday, April 8, 2010 10:57 PM

Ewwwww... ...just the thought!!

On the other hand, well said, Mincing, makes sense to me.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Friday, April 9, 2010 12:10 AM

Gone with the Wind is an interesting novel, much more complex and layered than the film, naturally of course. I don't think that the Old South was shown in a particularly favorable light in the book, it was depicted as a decadent period and the people who inhabited it often weak and frivolous. Scarlett and Rhett were not examples of Old South, but something new and different, hard headed capitalists, who were willing to do a lot to survive and definitely not romantics, either of them - even Scarlett for all her sighs and pining over the ridiculous Ashley.

The film was more frills and frocks, but it was never the happy ever after love story that it is made out to be. Scarlett is too difficult to love, and Rhett gives up in the end. Hardly a traditional happy ever after romance.

The fact that it depicts (especially the book) the horrors of war and the effect of war and losing a war on a civilian population - particularly the effect on women, makes it a fascinating book with universal themes that can be appreciated outside of the North vs South paradigm.

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Friday, April 9, 2010 2:16 PM

For a lot of folks from the South, it's mostly family. Given that pretty much anyone who was living in the Confederacy during the Civil War had at least one family member either in the military or in a city that was beseiged or destroyed by Union forces, it's not hard to figure that a lot of them would remember and pass down some history. Family history has it that my great-grandfather died in 1864 of "Camp fever" after being invalided out of the Confederate army and sent home to Northeast Georgia.

I can also tell you that a lot of folks with deep Southern heritage dislike the racists and neo-nazis who have co-opted the Confederate battle flag as their symbol.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Friday, April 9, 2010 7:08 PM

Magons, sounds like the book has a lot the movie didn't touch on; but how many Southerners read the book? The movie DEFINITELY romanticizes the Old South, and mourns its loss. I wish it had touched on the more negative aspects, because one comes away with the feeling the movie-makers WANTED one to feel, that the South got descimated and it was once wonderful. The rest isn't touched on in very visceral terms, at least I thought so when I saw it.

Aside from Mincing's suggestion, nobody has presented an articulate answer to my question. While I agree with him to a point, I think there's far more than that at work. Maybe displaying the flag on one's truck is a symbol of rebellion or something, I dunno, but I abhor all it stand for and the mentality that accompanies it.

And I don't think romanticizing it comes out of being asked to "apologize" for slavery. I don't think a lot of people in the South feel the slightest bit of remorse over losing slavery, and I think racism is still very alive and well there. JMHO


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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