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Romanticization of the Civil War

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KWICKO

Monday, April 12, 2010 5:49 PM

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The South shall rise again...

And of course, we Yanks will be right there as always to deliver yet another epic ass-kicking. After all these years, we've gotten really, really good at it. :)

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MINCINGBEAST

Monday, April 12, 2010 6:06 PM

aye kwicko! i am all for conquering and colonizing the south.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, April 12, 2010 6:50 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:

If you've ever seen the movie Gettysburg, you might notice a line in which someone said, "We should have freed the slaves first, THEN seceded from the Union." That would have made clarified why the South was fighting.

The Confederate flag flies partly as a memorial to the soldiers who died for that flag. It represents the collective suffering and pain the South experienced at the hands of the Damn Yankees, fighting for the right to self-determination.

Free the slaves, then force them to work for pay as tenant farmers (indentured servants = slaves), just like po white folk.

The Confederate Flag is an American flag.

Lincoln made all white males slaves to the Fed govt, with USA's first military draft and massive riots.
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"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it."
-Jewish President Abraham Lincoln Springstein Rothschild

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races [the crowd applauds] – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people, and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the black and white races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
-Jew Abraham Lincoln Springstein Rothschild, Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858 (The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)
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CITIZEN

Monday, April 12, 2010 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer, at one point my hubby was at a week-long manufacturer's class on computers. It pulled in people from around the world. Being very long, and having packed light, my hubby started gathering up his laundry mid-week to head to the nearest laundromat. His roommate, a guy from the Philippines, was startled by that, and blurted out Why are you doing laundry? People in my country don't do laundry!

HE knew what he meant, too. But what he implied is those who do laundry aren't people. What you said was:
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Good question. Is it worth sacrificing 600-700 thousand people to free 4 million? I'd probably choose the one that kills the least; trusting that if given the chance, folk will eventually figure the right thing to do.

You know he's actually saying that 600-700 thousand people were killed to free 4 million people. That's how the statement reads to me. I think it's a lousy argument, but it's not what you've read into it.

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NIKI2

Monday, April 12, 2010 7:58 PM

I have to concur...the way it reads, he was talking about those killed in the WAR, not the entire total including slaves who were killed over time.

I think it's kind of a moot point...I don't see what he's been saying as racist, you do. It's all in how we take things, IMHO.

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SIGNYM

Monday, April 12, 2010 8:48 PM

Guys.... let me use a medical analogy. Let's say that your daughter is suffering from progressive epileptical dementia. All of the standard, well-known treatments haven't worked. So now you're looking at experimental surgery or experimental drugs ... pretty radical stuff. There are risks and benefits to treatment. The hoped-for benefit is a reduction of symptoms, possibly even reversal. The risks... or side effects, are things like bone marrow suppression or post-surgical brain infection. But there is another side to the scale, and that is the risks and benefits of doing nothing. INACTION itself has a consequence. The risk is complete dementia and possibly permanent brain damage.

That's like the Civil War. The cost was 600,000-700,000 deaths, both north and south. The benefit was freeing the slaves. But the cost of doing nothing was not only the continuation of slavery, but the fact that slavery itself killed people. So when Geezer said that he would go with the course of action that would lead to the "fewest deaths", he forgot to include slave deaths that would have occurred without the Civil War. He forgot an entire category when balancing the scales.

Now, I'm not saying that slave deaths over the foreseeable lifetime of slavery (assuming no Civil war) would have exceeded citizen deaths during the Civil War. But if you're balancing deaths from the Civil War on one side side of the ledger, you have to include deaths that would have occurred WITHOUT the Civil war.

HERO

Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:24 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

And of course, we Yanks will be right there as always to deliver yet another epic ass-kicking. After all these years, we've gotten really, really good at it. :)

Well, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and New York are not the economic and industrial giants they once were. Technology, wealth, industry, population, and resources now favor the South. And we've already established that man for man, a Southerner can whip any ten Yankees and be home in time for chicken fried steak, fresh biscuits and gravy. So unless your plan is to wait for us all to die of heart attacks, we Southerners will win the next conflict (which comes in 2012).

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HERO

Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:32 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
That's like the Civil War. The cost was 600,000-700,000 deaths, both north and south. The benefit was freeing the slaves. But the cost of doing nothing was not only the continuation of slavery, but the fact that slavery itself killed people.

Actually the benefit was preserving the Union. Freeing the slaves at the conclusion of the conflict was a side effect. The cost of doing nothing was dismembering the Union, but again, those slaves left within the Union (such as the border states) would have been freed.

Had the South won or had the North chosen not to fight, the only guarranteed outcome surrounded the disposition of the succession issue. It was clear that even if free the South would have freed its slaves sooner or later. Absent the economic and political pressure from the North, slavery would have died a natural death within a generation (again, economics would have dictated the outcome). It would have been similar to Brazil.

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MINCINGBEAST

Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:11 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

And of course, we Yanks will be right there as always to deliver yet another epic ass-kicking. After all these years, we've gotten really, really good at it. :)

And we've already established that man for man, a Southerner can whip any ten Yankees and be home in time for chicken fried steak, fresh biscuits and gravy. So unless your plan is to wait for us all to die of heart attacks, we Southerners will win the next conflict (which comes in 2012).
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What in the devil's name are you talking about, man? There are no men in the south, just man-shaped globs of butter and fail. Just you wait for the Golden Horde (of California) to cross your borders, and enforce homosexuality and socialism on the vanquished.

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:31 PM

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Traitorous rebel scum seems an apt descriptor for such people taking such actions.

You say that like it's a bad thing. Of course, whenever I hear someone say rebel scum, I hear it with the dripping disdain of an imperial officer and to the quick boot steps of stormtroopers.

I've never been to the south. I don't particularly care if it's been romanticized, I guess people have that right to do that.

I don't fully buy the "slavery was the only factor" explanation, but I am glad it's gone. And I am glad for the people who got their freedom, reunited with families, and etc. Too bad the reclamation period was just the North ripping off the South as much as they could, and the South taking it out on black people with a slew of disgusting laws like the grandfather clause and jim crow.