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It’s over: MPs say the special relationship with US is dead

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:46 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I wasn't referring to Ireland... different situation I think. Almost more of a internal matter than a foreign war that.


I know, I was taking a swipe at the Americans there.
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more Sudan, the Mahdi revolt, the Boer war, the Zulu wars, the Marahatta confederation in India

examples like that, maintaining forces that far away from home ( even though East Indian Company forces were largely Indian ) was insanely expensive


The East India Company was dissolved about a century before the dissolution of the British Empire though? Much of what you cite would seem to be part of the expansion, rather than dissolution of the British Empire.

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How long was the British Empire in decline

or the Roman empire for that matter

without bloody, expensive foreign wars to heighten discord back home... would the decline have even started...


My point being is if that expense, combined with a domestic cost...

Boers burning shipyards, or Zulus running loose in Wales

the inclination to continue said policys meets more questions and resistance than they would otherwise...

mind you, as media control and propaganda was more effective back then than today...

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:48 PM

I came to said epiphany rather early in life, I suppose, but much later than I would have liked, since it came to me *as I was inflicting those horrors* and realized, in the blink of an eye, suspended in time for a moment that seemed to last forever, that was I was merely feeding the cycle of revenge, that violence would spark hatred and retaliation, and even if I took that final step and took the life before me, it would not end even there.

And in that moment, I finally, truly, UNDERSTOOD, all the things that Ghandi, and my Sensei, had been trying to hammer through my thick skull.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 8:57 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

How long was the British Empire in decline



Real decline? Probably started in the early 20's when the economic effects of the sudden expansion of the Empire, combined with the cost of the First World War began to hit home.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:06 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
The problem with the decedents of the British is that they have disproportionate economic and political power TODAY. And the separation of N Ireland from the rest is not an indigenous one but a result of the British colonizing an already-populated area.


They're also IRISH today and have as much right to live there and determine their own government as anyone else. So again, how does it make them any different to anyone else? The people you're calling "Indigenous" are descendants of people who displaced an earlier indigenous population, even.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:

How long was the British Empire in decline



Real decline? Probably started in the early 20's when the economic effects of the sudden expansion of the Empire, combined with the cost of the First World War began to hit home.

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Some of the books I have read put it earlier...

most around 1900, with the Boer war, the increase in influence of Germany and Turkey... The rise of other nations with large Navys... US, Japan, Germany, France...

They also suggest a period of stagnation 1860 or so on... post Kowloon.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:17 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Some of the books I have read put it earlier...

most around 1900, with the Boer war, the increase in influence of Germany and Turkey... The rise of other nations with large Navys... US, Japan, Germany, France...

They also suggest a period of stagnation 1860 or so on... post Kowloon.



Those weren't really periods of decline. That was more like what the US is experiencing now, as the rest of the world pulls out from under the cloak of the Second World War. Actual decline though wouldn't seem to be coming until after the First World War.

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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:24 PM

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Originally posted by citizen:
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Some of the books I have read put it earlier...

most around 1900, with the Boer war, the increase in influence of Germany and Turkey... The rise of other nations with large Navys... US, Japan, Germany, France...

They also suggest a period of stagnation 1860 or so on... post Kowloon.



Those weren't real periods of decline. That was more like what the US is experiencing now, as the rest of the world pulls out from under the cloak of the Second World War. Actual decline though wouldn't seem to be coming until after the First World War.

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Ah Hell, I would argue the US is in decline now

wars they can`t afford, internal and external dissent, political dis-functionality, pissing off the rest of the planet

two or three years, another big economic crash, maybe they will start another war nobody really wants ( other than Israel )

China may wind up owning them outright, if they don`t split into two or three separate countrys over teabagging and healthcare



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Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:46 PM

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ANTI- you can stop shoveling YOUR load of crap. I'm not buying it.

If you say that we're so "benevolant", then I ask you: Why did we do that?



im not making excuses.. i believe i meant relatively, but if i forgot to state that.. isnt it clear by now my view on all this? you should know my opinion by now, after all this time.. i gripe about our role constantly. my solution was to become more libertarian, less involved in peoples lives, no matter where in the world

i just dont believe America is the most evil of them all

i tend to believe the 100's of millions of deaths this century, that were a consequence of the various forms of collectivism, marxism et al- to be the real evil we confront. after all what is it but ideology that compells a nation to intervene(for better or worse)? i somehow doubt Chili or Iran, if placed in our position, would behave dramatically different. 'power corrupts..' no matter who you are! we're all human. if the Chinese was the world power, we'd probably have a global single child policy, censorship of expression, political assassinations.. the whole works.

why not work towards some positive policy changes, instead of just ripping AMerica to shreds every post? its just not really constructive



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Thursday, April 1, 2010 10:22 PM

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ANTI- you can stop shoveling YOUR load of crap. I'm not buying it.

If you say that we're so "benevolant", then I ask you: Why did we do that?



im not making excuses.. i believe i meant relatively, but if i forgot to state that.. isnt it clear by now my view on all this? you should know my opinion by now, after all this time.. i gripe about our role constantly. my solution was to become more libertarian, less involved in peoples lives, no matter where in the world

i just dont believe America is the most evil of them all

i tend to believe the 100's of millions of deaths this century, that were a consequence of the various forms of collectivism, marxism et al- to be the real evil we confront. after all what is it but ideology that compells a nation to intervene(for better or worse)? i somehow doubt Chili or Iran, if placed in our position, would behave dramatically different. 'power corrupts..' no matter who you are! we're all human. if the Chinese was the world power, we'd probably have a global single child policy, censorship of expression, political assassinations.. the whole works.

why not work towards some positive policy changes, instead of just ripping AMerica to shreds every post? its just not really constructive






And if WW2 had not of occurred and Nazi Germany was the world power

would you be making the argument that the Japanese would be worse...




Madeline Albright

Mass Murder and War Criminal

do you let her slide because somebody else may have done worse...

or does everyone get judged by exactly what they did... not on maybes and what ifs

Chinese, Russian, or AMERICAN

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RUE
Thursday, April 1, 2010 10:45 PM

I just have to comment on the title "It’s over: MPs say the special relationship with US is dead".

Part of me wants to note that it was probably over between us after 1776 ...

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