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It’s over: MPs say the special relationship with US is dead

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Monday, April 5, 2010 4:52 PM

Sorry if it seems like I'm dumping information on you, KPO.

But one of the things I learned- from people much more intelligent and experienced- is that the overall gloss that Americans have about our actions and intentions abroad is nearly 100% wrong.

Given the evidence of our actions and their results, I've come to the conclusion that our military interventions are almost ALWAYS in support of higher profits for our corporations... either for cheap labor, cheap resources, strategic shipping points, or some combination. We wind up extracting that and thwarting natural aspirations of most people for a better life, so eventually we wind up supporting corrupt tyrants, landowners, military rulers, oil sheiks etc. who are able and willing to guarantee a "business-friendly" climate.

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Monday, April 5, 2010 5:18 PM

Here is something else of interest


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/04/201045123449200569.
html


Website 'shows video of US attack'



One of the internet's biggest sources of classified government information has released video of what it says is a US helicopter firing at civilians in Iraq.

Wikileaks, a website that publishes anonymously sourced documents, released what it called previously unseen footage, on Monday.

It said the footage filmed from a helicopter cockpit shows a missile strike on a crowded square in a Baghdad neighbourhood in July 2007.

The website said 12 civilians were killed in the attack, including two journalists, Namir Nour El Deen and Saeed Chmagh, who worked for the Reuters news agency.

The two men appear to survive the first strike and attempt to get away, but the helicopter returns a second and third time.

There was no immediate comment from the US military on the video.

story continues



http://wikileaks.org/


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KPO
Tuesday, April 6, 2010 4:03 PM

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Sorry if it seems like I'm dumping information on you, KPO.

Not at all.

You see the U.S political system as being rotten to the core - I view it as more fundamentally good and free, but with some worrying flaws and susceptibilities (some of them just human moral failings).

We each view the record of U.S foreign policy in a different light, because we see it as the outworkings of a different animal.

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I've come to the conclusion that our military interventions are almost ALWAYS in support of higher profits for our corporations...

I'm not going to deny that this is a factor in U.S foreign policy decision making, but I'm not convinced it's such a strong governing one, as your camp typically believes.

As I said, we view U.S actions in different ways - most of your blacklist of U.S actions that you highlight are cold-war interventions - which to me is significant. Machiavelian CIA machinations etc. are not some of the U.S's proudest moments - but when you see the 'evil empire' the U.S was confronting at that time you can understand, if not excuse, a desire to block that empires control and influence at every point and place.

The U.S seems quite susceptible to fear and hysteria it seems to me, when under a threat - terrorists, communists etc. And a lot of its worst foreign policy decisions come out of this - I imagine good men getting paralysed by the fear, and then men like Dick Cheney being left to take the initiative.

Heads should roll

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KPO
Tuesday, April 6, 2010 4:23 PM

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I haven't suggested motive, because to tell you the truth I don't give a damn why they did it.

Ok then my suggested motive stands, as the best we have.

Heads should roll

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Wednesday, January 8, 2025 3:09 AM

Donald Trump breaks silence on Elon Musk and Keir Starmer feud in blow for PM

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1997385/keir-starmer-trump-mus
k-blow

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Friday, August 29, 2025 3:36 PM

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Sadiq Khan continues his feud with Donald Trump by claiming US President could be 'radicalising dangerous people'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15011237/Sadiq-Khan-continues
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