Yet More Death Threats Against Democrats - Including One From John Boehner!
POSTED BY: Kwicko
UPDATED: Saturday, March 27, 2010 04:30
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Sooo... had you been in Germany in 1930 and had an easy kill-shot on Hitler.... you wouldn't have done it... even to prevent a massive war, millions of deaths ect ect?
Because, whether or not you want to see it.. this HCB is socialism on a national scale (i.e. National Socialism)...
And whats another name for someone who supports National Socialism... anyone, anyone?
Nazi.
Oh yeah, sure... we dont have ovens, showers, trains... yet. Neither did Germany in the 1930s.
They had to start small. Gun control, registration, Political Correctness, speech control... branding one group better than another, or deserving MORE than another... taking money from the people to pay for this new "class" of people...
Replacing religion with the "state".
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/03/25/ted.sam.harris/index.html
Having people who disagreed with this, ridiculed at first, then silenced..
Newspapers were branded "out of sync" with the Nazi ideals, and were shut down... (anyone remember Obama trying to shut down Fox?)
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Make no mistake, this government has become tyranical. And must be removed.
One way or the other.
As Malcolm X said... its going to be "The Ballot or the Bullet".
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Sooo... had you been in Germany in 1930 and had an easy kill-shot on Hitler.... you wouldn't have done it... even to prevent a massive war, millions of deaths ect ect?
You would not have even been able to imagine what would happen during the next 15 years, so no, you would not have shot him. If that's a time-traveller hypothetical, then you really have to balance the consequences of creating a new future versus the history that followed.
Quote:The Nazis weren't just ideological guys. They were ruthless and barbaric murderers from the beginning of the movement. There is no comparison to Obama here at all, and calling him a Nazi is as bad as when Libs called Bush a Nazi.
Because, whether or not you want to see it.. this HCB is socialism on a national scale (i.e. National Socialism)...
And whats another name for someone who supports National Socialism... anyone, anyone?
Nazi.
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Oh yeah, sure... we dont have ovens, showers, trains... yet. Neither did Germany in the 1930s.
Don't fool yourself. They opened up Dachau in June of 1933. They started arresting communists, professors, homosexuals, and other non-Nazi types then. Dachau was used by the SS under Commandant Eiche as a training facility to hone their sadistic skills which later would be refined, expanded, and perfected for use on the Jews. The SS officers who showed the most brutality and the most un-remorseful sadism were rewarded with commands of their own in concentration camps in Poland and most of Europe.
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They had to start small. Gun control, registration, Political Correctness, speech control... branding one group better than another, or deserving MORE than another... taking money from the people to pay for this new "class" of people...
Replacing religion with the "state".
That is a stretch from where we are now, and where we will likely be in 5 years, in my opinion.
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Having people who disagreed with this, ridiculed at first, then silenced..
Newspapers were branded "out of sync" with the Nazi ideals, and were shut down... (anyone remember Obama trying to shut down Fox?)
They didn't try to shut down Fox. They tried to gather support from other media sources to encourage them to ignore Fox altogether and not carry any of their stories. But that didn't last long.
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I see that Jong has once again decided to NOT respond to any of my posts - no matter how fact-filled and on-topic they are. Just b/c Jong has a personal grudge for some unknown reason. BTW Jong - I invite you to scroll down and read JUST my posts. Go ahead. They are short and there aren't many of them. Then come back and point out WHAT was offensive - if you can.
So now I will make it personal - jeez Jong - is your mind so empty you have nothing to say ? Or are you so childish you've gone into a big pout ?
Just for the record.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Sooo... had you been in Germany in 1930 and had an easy kill-shot on Hitler.... you wouldn't have done it... even to prevent a massive war, millions of deaths ect ect?
You mean, killed someone for "pre-crime"? For something they hadn't done? I guess it depends - in your version of 1930 Germany, am I clairvoyant?
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Because, whether or not you want to see it.. this HCB is socialism on a national scale (i.e. National Socialism)...
And whats another name for someone who supports National Socialism... anyone, anyone?
Nazi.
Oh jesus fucking bald-headed tapdancing christ, Wulfie. Who do you think you are, Glenn Beck?
We *HAVE* socialism already. Schools, police, fire departments, farm subsidies, CORPORATE welfare, your beloved fucking military - ALL of those are "socialist", and many on a national scale.
The ONE thing you tea-bagging fucknuts will NEVER agree to cut spending on, downsize, or outright do away with is our national military. You think we need to be at war, always, with someone or anyone, for any reason or none at all. That's not socialism - that's outright fascism. Frankly, I'd vastly prefer socialism to fascism. By the way, the Nazis weren't socialists; they were fascists. They used the "socialist" thing in their name the same way the tea-baggers misuse the word "patriot".
I *get* that you and your kind are too fucking stupid to figure that out; I guess it's a byproduct of your conservative idiot upbringing.
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Oh yeah, sure... we dont have ovens, showers, trains... yet. Neither did Germany in the 1930s.
Again, you fail, miserably. I'm pretty darned sure that there were ovens, showers, and trains in Germany in the 1930s. Maybe you're thinking of Georgia. ;)
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They had to start small. Gun control, registration, Political Correctness, speech control... branding one group better than another, or deserving MORE than another... taking money from the people to pay for this new "class" of people...
Hmmmm... "branding one group better than another, or deserving MORE than another..." You mean like branding the rich as "better" or "deserving MORE" of the stuff like, say, healthcare?
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Replacing religion with the "state".
As opposed to... what, exactly? Replacing the "state" with religion? WHAT religion? Islam? Judaism? Buddhism?
Can you show me any specific instances where you've been expressly forbidden from practicing your religion? And if you want to practice yours in public places (schools, government buildings, etc.), will you stand by the rights of ALL religions to do the same? Even satanists, pagans, or - gods forbid! - MUSLIMS?
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Having people who disagreed with this, ridiculed at first, then silenced..
Who has been "silenced"? And who have you NOT ridiculed? Are you saying it's only okay to ridicule and silence those whom YOU disagree with? Because I've seen you do one, and try to do the other: "Niki, you better not even start trying to compare gays to blacks! Don't do it! You're going to make people very mad! Don't say it!" - I've seen you use that line of reasoning quite often; are you saying you WEREN'T trying to silence Niki?
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Newspapers were branded "out of sync" with the Nazi ideals, and were shut down... (anyone remember Obama trying to shut down Fox?)
I don't. Can you provide any factual evidence to show that he tried to "shut down" Fox?
Or are you talking about the right-wingers who tried to "shut down" CBS when they demanded that Dan Rather be fired for reporting something they disagreed with?
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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Originally posted by rue:
"The more they show themselves, the more they will be shunned back by the masses into their little white supremist world."
One hopes.
Just to briefly get back to this: "Seems I recall some pretty nasty and disgusting stuff being hurled at Bush, Cheney and Republicans by protesters in the past."
I recall Bush and Cheney being called sociopaths and murderers - which is probably true. I recall people looking for their impeachment. I remember people saying they would move to Canada if Bush were re-elected. I remember jokes about Cheney shooting his 'friend' in the face and then having said 'friend' apologize for getting shot. I honestly do not recall anyone advocating violence, threatening violence or bringing guns, nor do I recall the democratic party fomenting extremists.
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Well, that is because you are so blinded by your love of all things liberal you forget things. You can't "recall" it but you can google it. And, the Democratic party is nothing but a hodge podge of extremists (they just use the word activists...makes em feel all fuzzy
). I guess both parties have extremists to some extent. Humanity's nature for a percent of the people to be...Well, extreme.
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Originally posted by rue:
I see that Jong has once again decided to NOT respond to any of my posts - no matter how fact-filled and on-topic they are. Just b/c Jong has a personal grudge for some unknown reason. BTW Jong - I invite you to scroll down and read JUST my posts. Go ahead. They are short and there aren't many of them. Then come back and point out WHAT was offensive - if you can.
So now I will make it personal - jeez Jong - is your mind so empty you have nothing to say ? Or are you so childish you've gone into a big pout ?
Just for the record.
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Silence is consent.
Maybe he just does'nt want to respond to your posts...He/she may even think your not worthy of a response. Don't forget he's been around the block here a few times. I don't think he will respond to your childish ploy of calling jong childish...seems absurd.....
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
You know I call 'em like I see 'em. I wrote a fair response back to you. You agree with me? Not? Don't tell me you only want to cherry pick one line out of dozens just to be snarky about, 'cause that's a big step backwards for you.
Sorry to disappoint you, Jongs, but you seem to be backsliding into partisanship, and anything else I might say might get ugly...
But anyway, you say you know that tea-baggers are Republicans, and vice-versa, and that's no surprise to anyone. I find it curious, then, that so many of them try to CLAIM to not be Republicans or NeoCons, and claim they're "independent", when clearly they aren't. And if 3 of 4 tea-baggers are Republicans, and dozens of tea-baggers are yelling "Nigger!" at members of the Congressional Black Congress, it stands to reason more than a few of them were Republicans. Just sayin'.
Now, you can claim all you want that these "people" (and I use that term loosely) aren't representative of you and your party, but you won't give the same benefit of the doubt to any Democrat (like, say, John Dingell) or "librul" who says something whacky that you disagree with. Nope, you'll plow right on in tarring every one of us with the same brush, giggling maniacally while you do it. So, fair's fair.
What bothers me most is that, for all the ugliness out there, the vast majority of conservatives I've heard and read AREN'T denouncing the hate, violence, and vitriol - they're just trying to claim that it isn't them saying and doing it! So they don't seem to actually MIND the death threats against Democratic members of Congress, they just want to make sure we know that they personally weren't the ones making such threats. It's odd that none of the conservatives - even around this board, from what I've seen - will go so far as to even denounce the violence.
Hell, I'm against whaling, and I got in a huge brouhaha with people I'm normally aligned with when I suggested that maybe piracy and sinking ships on the high seas wasn't the best solution to that problem.
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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Originally posted by rue:
You postedQuote:But then you go on to post that
The Tea Party has officially denounced violence and threats.Quote:and that
John Boehner saying that Steve Dreihaus "may be a dead man"Quote:aren't veiled threats, they are 'merely' hyperbole and humor.
When Sarah Palin says "we need to reload and take aim" at certain Democrats, and puts up a map with their locations designated by cross-hairs
Let's try this on for size: how about if I post YOUR name and address on the internet and claim that b/c of your actions YOU have contributed to the destruction of the US ? And what if I further post that you should consider yourself a dead man ... ? How would that feel ? Hyperbole ? Humor ? Or threat ? There's a fine line between harnessing outrage and fueling hate, and that line has already been crossed. You shouldn't be excusing it just b/c it comes from your side.
It's funny, Rue, because I was thinking the same thing this morning, before I logged in here.
Suppose I put up Rappy's personal info, along with a hate-filled tyrade saying that he should be "crucified" or "strung up"; would that cross a line, or would that merely be hyperbole?
What if I were to state that I wanted to see "Hero" given the death penalty? Is that a threat, or hype? I'll note for the record that "Hero" has repeatedly called for mistreatment of PN, claiming that PN is not due any of the constitutional protections "Hero" is sworn to uphold and apply to all persons equally. Doesn't that make him a threat to the nation?
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, my feeling on the topic is this:
IF you (and I mean anyone... you, our government, the right wing, the left wing, the Taliban) has to SHOOT to make its ideas stick then you
a) Have ALREADY lost in the marketplace of ideas and,
b) Are already a tyranny.
It doesn't matter if you're a tyranny of the left, a tyranny of the right, a muslim tyranny, or a tyranny of good ol' boys... enforcing your ideas with a gun... even if it's an idea of "democracy and individualism"... IS a tyranny.
That sounds like a good little fable on paper, but in the real world(past and present) sometimes it takes a gun to get things going because the real tyranny stifles the ideas...Oh, our Republic comes to mind along with all the thoughts and ideas it fostered. Where would we be without ever having picked up a muskett.
Now in no way am I agreeing with what some of these people have advocated. I just thought your comment a bit blanketed and idealistic.....I think there would be a danger to new ideas if we all lived by mottos or slogans.....
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