Yet More Death Threats Against Democrats - Including One From John Boehner!
POSTED BY: Kwicko
UPDATED: Saturday, March 27, 2010 04:30
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You posted
Quote:But then you go on to post that
The Tea Party has officially denounced violence and threats.
Quote:and that
John Boehner saying that Steve Dreihaus "may be a dead man"
Quote:aren't veiled threats, they are 'merely' hyperbole and humor.
When Sarah Palin says "we need to reload and take aim" at certain Democrats, and puts up a map with their locations designated by cross-hairs
Let's try this on for size: how about if I post YOUR name and address on the internet and claim that b/c of your actions YOU have contributed to the destruction of the US ? And what if I further post that you should consider yourself a dead man ... ? How would that feel ? Hyperbole ? Humor ? Or threat ? There's a fine line between harnessing outrage and fueling hate, and that line has already been crossed. You shouldn't be excusing it just b/c it comes from your side.
You also have claimed that both sides do it. I'm still waiting for valid examples.
Quote:Actually ... no. There is a restriction on hate speech in the US just as there is on yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre. 'Freedom of speech' is not the blanket excuse it is made out to be. The limits of said 'freedom' have been discussed before, and there are many.
In any case, freedom of speech cannot be impinged because of the potential threat from a mentally ill person being influenced by something he hears somewhere.
Quote:That is just a stupid talking point. Her equivalent under Bush said the EXACT SAME THING - word for word. Where was the outrage then ? The only reason she 'apologized' was because of twits with their false outrage who will swallow ANYTHING from a republican but NOTHING from a democrat.
When Janet Napolitano made those comments last year about right-wing dangers, she had to apologize almost immediately. The comments were totally unfounded and were themselves hateful and prejudiced.
BTW - Bush is the ultimate liar. It started with claiming that the Clinton administration had trashed the WH and removed all the W's from the keypads, went to claiming that war was the last resort for Hussein but the US was forced into it by the vaporous WMDs, and ended with a ruined economy and ruined people that HAD been doing very well - caused, as he claimed, by the democrats.
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Quote:They made a pretty weak statement, now, when they see how the violence will damage them politically. To be fair, I think the vast majority of Tea Partiers and Republicans do not want violence (esp as it makes them look bad). But that's not the issue. The issue is that they are not taking responsibility for, or toning down, the dishonest rhetoric they've used over the past two years to draw the violent whackos out of their holes.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It is absurd. The Tea Party has officially denounced violence and threats.
Calling Obama a terrorist - in the post 9/11 environment where terrorists are especially hated. Calling him un-American, saying he's going to end our freedoms, destroy out country. Boehner calling this HCR Armageddon.
Come on JS. Republican leaders have specifically called their constituents to arms. Sure, you can say they didn't literally mean it, but it's still ridiculous for them to say it. They spent two years working people into this frenzy and then think one little statement - "oh, but play nice!" is going to calm anyone down.
Quote:Um... you have heard her talk, right?
Besides, you don't take her[Palin] seriously,
Quote:I agree on this JS. I wouldn't call the Republican leadership terrorists because they haven't actually done acts of violence. And Mike, calling them terrorists also lowers you to their level. It seems to call out for action against them they way they've called for action against Obama. Violent action. I don't want that, just want the Rep. insanity recognized and voted out of office.
Well now you're really going over the cliff friend. That's just a rant of frustrating helplessness.
What I do call the Republican leadership is irresponsible, dishonest, conniving, and self-interested. And yes, insane.
Quote:Not so much. Events of this week have proved her out. And again - it may not be the leaders of Tea Party and Republicans that are the main threat, but these organizations have openly courted and worked up the violent nutjobs.
When Janet Napolitano made those comments last year about right-wing dangers, she had to apologize almost immediately. The comments were totally unfounded and were themselves hateful and predjudiced.
Finally: JS, the blog you posted contains several of the blatant lies and stretched truths that the right has been spreading about health care since last summer, and which have been addressed several times already on this site and elsewhere. I'm not going to take the time to refute them again, since if you haven't seen it yet, you're not likely to.
I mean, come one. Death panels? Really?
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Crappy, you have no idea what a "strong woman" is. Your definition of a "strong woman" is one who is your intellectual and emotional equal: That is, a bitch pinhead. (And that's an insult to pinheads and bitches everywhere.)
I'm with Rue. Let's post every hatefilled right-winger's home address on line, reload and take aim.
See how the shoe fits.
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Sic Semper Tyrannis.
Thus, let it be to all tyrants.
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Wulf, if this is a comment at ME, all I'm advocating is that a 0.48 will decide who is right.
Right?
Why should one side pose like sitting ducks while the other takes aim? If this is going to come to guns and violence (which YOU seem to be advocating) then... let's have at it, and may the best shot win. And you better be prepared to lose, because no mercy will be there for you.
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Wasn't aimed at you, Sig... but thanks for the threat. Its cute. :)
In explanation, and I said this in another thread.. Sic Semper Tyrannis is the only thing I have to say to/about this "government" anymore.
So, we shall see.
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Originally posted by mal4prez:Quote:They made a pretty weak statement, now, when they see how the violence will damage them politically. To be fair, I think the vast majority of Tea Partiers and Republicans do not want violence (esp as it makes them look bad). But that's not the issue. The issue is that they are not taking responsibility for, or toning down, the dishonest rhetoric they've used over the past two years to draw the violent whackos out of their holes.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
It is absurd. The Tea Party has officially denounced violence and threats.
Calling Obama a terrorist - in the post 9/11 environment where terrorists are especially hated. Calling him un-American, saying he's going to end our freedoms, destroy out country. Boehner calling this HCR Armageddon.
Come on JS. Republican leaders have specifically called their constituents to arms. Sure, you can say they didn't literally mean it, but it's still ridiculous for them to say it. They spent two years working people into this frenzy and then think one little statement - "oh, but play nice!" is going to calm anyone down.Quote:Um... you have heard her talk, right?
Besides, you don't take her[Palin] seriously,Quote:I agree on this JS. I wouldn't call the Republican leadership terrorists because they haven't actually done acts of violence. And Mike, calling them terrorists also lowers you to their level. It seems to call out for action against them they way they've called for action against Obama. Violent action. I don't want that, just want the Rep. insanity recognized and voted out of office.
Well now you're really going over the cliff friend. That's just a rant of frustrating helplessness.
What I do call the Republican leadership is irresponsible, dishonest, conniving, and self-interested. And yes, insane.Quote:Not so much. Events of this week have proved her out. And again - it may not be the leaders of Tea Party and Republicans that are the main threat, but these organizations have openly courted and worked up the violent nutjobs.
When Janet Napolitano made those comments last year about right-wing dangers, she had to apologize almost immediately. The comments were totally unfounded and were themselves hateful and predjudiced.
Finally: JS, the blog you posted contains several of the blatant lies and stretched truths that the right has been spreading about health care since last summer, and which have been addressed several times already on this site and elsewhere. I'm not going to take the time to refute them again, since if you haven't seen it yet, you're not likely to.
I mean, come one. Death panels? Really?
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M4P, that's a good post. I appreciate and respect the restraint you showed in presenting your points of legitimate objection to what I wrote when I responded to Kwicko's original objections to my earlier posts. For the blog, I did preface it by saying I don't support the whole thing. As for Republican leaderships' responsibility to take a softer tone, I don't have any problem with that.
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Well, my feeling on the topic is this:
IF you (and I mean anyone... you, our government, the right wing, the left wing, the Taliban) has to SHOOT to make its ideas stick then you
a) Have ALREADY lost in the marketplace of ideas and,
b) Are already a tyranny.
It doesn't matter if you're a tyranny of the left, a tyranny of the right, a muslim tyranny, or a tyranny of good ol' boys... enforcing your ideas with a gun... even if it's an idea of "democracy and individualism"... IS a tyranny.
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Quote:I may not agree with you on many things JS, but I respect you more day by day. Thank you for not escalating - you set a good example that I will try to follow.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
M4P, that's a good post. I appreciate and respect the restraint you showed in presenting your points of legitimate objection to what I wrote when I responded to Kwicko's original objections to my earlier posts. For the blog, I did preface it by saying I don't support the whole thing. As for Republican leaderships' responsibility to take a softer tone, I don't have any problem with that.
I missed your preface to the blog. And I must admit, since we can agree on the lies and move past them to other content: it was correct about a few ways that Obama has not delivered what he promised. While I'm bummed about that, I'm learning enough about politics to see it as necessity. He had to give up some of what he wanted in order to get the bill through. You know, compromise and all that.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, my feeling on the topic is this:
IF you (and I mean anyone... you, our government, the right wing, the left wing, the Taliban) has to SHOOT to make its ideas stick then you
a) Have ALREADY lost in the marketplace of ideas and,
b) Are already a tyranny.
It doesn't matter if you're a tyranny of the left, a tyranny of the right, a muslim tyranny, or a tyranny of good ol' boys... enforcing your ideas with a gun... even if it's an idea of "democracy and individualism"... IS a tyranny.
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