FINALLY! Biden goes after Israel!!!
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UPDATED: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 17:55
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Great... Then the Taliban are justified in killing every American they can
Well no, not really. That comparison doesn't even begin to make any sense.
Quote:Well, they started it. After we saved their asses from the Commies.
pre emptive self defense, after all your stated goal is to wipe them out
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and any gov the US supports that oppresses anyone... they can start killing Americans by the dozens as well
Huh? Again, not making any sense here. Israel is DEFENDING herself. Not " oppressing " anyone.
Big difference.
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I would loved to hear what you would have to say after living in Gaza for six months...
perhaps you would have some empathy at least.
No, not really. Because I'd not have started my stay in Gaza by ripping up any and all infrastructure and usable technology, simply because the Jews had put it there. I'd have left irrigation and green houses, for example, in place, and tried to use them, instead of trashing it all.
But that's just me.
Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Two Questions...
Does Israel have the right to wipe other people out ?
No. Auraptor wtf? A whole other people??
Geopolitics for me works in terms of windows of opportunity - most of the time peace is unattainable, Israel just has to choose the right way to protect its citizens against terrorism.
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Do you think Israel has negotiated in good faith.. ever ?
Maybe, I've heard some such reports. And perhaps in the future? It's in Israel's interests, I don't think it can be impossible - though it may take an historic, visionary leader of some kind (weak leaders cannot make peace, etc.).
Heads should roll
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Two Questions...
Does Israel have the right to wipe other people out ?
No. Auraptor wtf? A whole other people??
No, not really. But it's an absurd premise on the face of it, so I simply followed suit.
Israel is in no means trying to wipe out anyone. I'm pretty sure there's nothing formal written about wiping anyone off the face of the map......
But the bigger problem here is, folks have already taken sides, and even though it's been proven that both sides "work" the media, folks generally assume that only 1 side gets heard, or one side is doing the bulk of the media manipulation.
It's been proven that, if anything, there are those in the media who have manipulated info AGAINST Israel, by fabricating stories.... doctoring photos.... so when I hear about how the IDF won't " allow " media in certain areas.....it's hard for me to blame them.
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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Originally posted by kpo:Quote:
Two Questions...
Does Israel have the right to wipe other people out ?
No. Auraptor wtf? A whole other people??
Geopolitics for me works in terms of windows of opportunity - most of the time peace is unattainable, Israel just has to choose the right way to protect its citizens against terrorism.Quote:
Do you think Israel has negotiated in good faith.. ever ?
Maybe, I've heard some such reports. And perhaps in the future? It's in Israel's interests, I don't think it can be impossible - though it may take an historic, visionary leader of some kind (weak leaders cannot make peace, etc.).
Heads should roll
I don't think its impossible either
but I don't think the two state solution in its current form is going to go anywhere
BTW I'm done arguing with Rappy
I keep remembering his defense of the idea of shooting pregnant Palestinian to save bullets
lost cause
I do think Israel better act soon, or it will have the issue decided for them...
Europe for the most part has has enough of their actions
the US has other problems, and is likely very sick of having them thumb their nose at them anytime they ask them to do something towards the peace process...
They may have a great military... but their economy can't float it alone. No aid, cut off from export markets... 5 or 6 years at most...
Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"
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BTW I'm done arguing with Rappy
I keep remembering his defense of the idea of shooting pregnant Palestinian to save bullets
Talk about misremembering.....
You're referencing the " 1 shot, 2 kills " t-shirt, which shows a image of a pregnant muslim woman in a burka, in the cross-hairs of a sniper's scope.
You assign a position to me for which I NEVER took. How the hell am I suppose to answer to a point of view which isn't mine ?
All I said was - IF the pregnant woman has already condemned herself and unborn her child to death by being a suicide bomb, THEN it would be a justified shooting, TO SAVE THE LIVES OF OTHERS. That's the sole scenario which I deemed it even REMOTELY acceptable to pull the trigger. It never had anything to do w/ 'saving bullets'.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/280467/pregnant_palestinian_w
oman_and_niece.html
I'm not back tracking, or " making shit up " to cover up anything. The above link shows to what I was referring.
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Oh bullshit, some of us were there, we know what you said, and if it weren't so fucking pointless might dredge up the thread and link it.
*points to Rappy*
THIS is the mindset of the folk in charge of Israel, and has been for a damned long time.
Still think negotiation is really possible ?
-F
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
*points to Rappy*
THIS is the mindset of the folk in charge of Israel, and has been for a damned long time.
Still think negotiation is really possible ?
-F
Because defending oneself from suicide bombers is SO outrageous ?
I doubt there's a human one the planet who'd not take that shot to defend their own family. Every single person would do the exact same thing.
Every one.
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Ok, fine, you wanna play it that way.
Here's the link.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443
You said what you said, and got verbally bitchslapped in epic fashion as a result.
Did you *REALLY* think you could count on the hope that people wouldn't remember and you could lie your way out of that ?
You're a monster, and such a good advertisement AGAINST the causes you support that no one needs a strawman with you around, and you're too fucking dumb to see it.
-Frem
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Ok, fine, you wanna play it that way.
Here's the link.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37443
You said what you said, and got verbally bitchslapped in epic fashion as a result.
Did you *REALLY* think you could count on the hope that people wouldn't remember and you could lie your way out of that ?
You're a monster, and such a good advertisement AGAINST the causes you support that no one needs a strawman with you around, and you're too fucking dumb to see it.
-Frem
Actually, you're the liar. And I'm so fracking tired of this dance. When the hell are you going to grow up ? Oh, I guess - never.
Here's what I ACTUALLY SAID
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When Pal women start dressing up their babies in suicide pampers, might be a good idea to go ahead and take care of both of them at once, before they have a chance to kill.
The CLEAR implication being, if anyone is suiting their own child up to be a martyr and kill scores of innocent others, then it's sane and logical to prevent that from happening. The MONSTER would simply allow it to occur, as you would, and then have the blood of 20,30, 100 or more people on your hands.
To save the life of a mother who is going to blow her and her own child up ANYWAY! That's the part you don't get. Your brain can't or won't process that simple, harsh reality of that. Maybe you don't want to think that anyone COULD do that, but it's EXACTLY the mindset of those butchers over there.
They say it themselves..... " We love death more than you love life " .
What is it about that which you don't get ?
Hate to play psychologist here, but you keep projecting YOUR views onto others, and then when you can't come to grips as to why anyone would murder their own child via a suicide bomb, you refuse to face the reality of their evil, and instead conclude.... " they're simply being driven to do this ! They have no other choice! "
Bullshit. YOU are the monster here, not I.
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Okay, it's gonna be long, but as usual I'm late coming in and so much has been posted since I left, this is the only way to catch up for me.
Here’s a shock for you. All else aside, I am forced to say "Excellent self-control Raptor, I'm impressed". You made your points (much as I may disagree with them) and didn't resort to name calling until Frem did. Frem; way over the top and unnecessary in my opion. This time you can't say his posts are whatever nasty thing you want to call them: YOU started it. Or did you, with your pyschological manipulation strategy, deliberately go over the line, knowing how easy it is to trigger Raptor? I wonder.
Or, as he said himself, did you let your own anger and feelings, and past experiences with him, take you over the top? Whichever it was, you take the blame for this one.
Whatever caused your reaction; Raptor, I take you off "wind" status for me, however little that may mean to you. You'll still be wind to me when you deserve it, but if you make cogent (from your point of view) posts like these, you deserve my respect...only then.
As to "lying", I read the same quote--while it can be interpreted one way, it can also be interpreted Raptor's way, and he went on to justify it with the concept that if the mother is going to send her kid out as a suicide bomber, maybe it's worth considering. So I don't call what he said a lie, more an interpretation.
Mind you, I DO NOT agree with him, on almost all points, I'm just putting this up so that however this devolves into nastiness, you can't blame Raptor for throwing the first stone--yours wasn't a "stone", it was a bombast.
On other points: Raptor, you said in that thread from the past that we'd never seen child abuse like that in any other country. Totally wrong, and I think you know that. Hell, we can put America up as an argument against THAT if we want to. We've rarely seen children USED in such a way in a war, but then we don't hear about everything, so I doubt they're the only ones.
I agree they don’t want to wipe anyone off the map—tho’ if you’re fair, the extremist Muslims all over the Middle East DO want to wipe Israel off the map. What’s been said before is accurate; they want to grab as much viable land, by any means available, to give themselves the best of it and to put as much distance between them and their enemies as possible, in my view. That they go off the arable land is smart, and I can’t really fault them for that, but I find their actions reprehensible nonetheless.
As to the media, yes, in every conflict both sides try to manipulate. I can’t help wondering how the resources Israel has available to them makes gives them the money to do a better JOB of it and if their enemies had the same resources, they wouldn’t do it as well. At present, the Israelis have committed so many atrocities, and “if it bleeds, it’s news”, so perhaps they get more attention. I don’t know.
And the statement that Israel is the lynchpin of US policy in the region is right on...it is awfully sad to see the Obama administration reverse its policies and cow tow to Israel—I had hope there, as well as so many other places I’ve been disappointed. I wish they/he had the courage of their/his convictions on SOMETHING, dammit!!
I hold with Mincing that making a historical case against Jews such as Frem has is unsustainable. And I think it’s apt to compare America; our actions globally and historically have been just as egregious as any other religion or nationality’s—we have a shorter history, certainly, than other countries, but people around the world already say “Americans have always...” and condemn our actions in many other theaters.
"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10
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