FINALLY! Biden goes after Israel!!!

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JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:32 PM

Despite the liberatorS' desires to help the surviving European Jews after WWII, I believe when you look at the 65 years of "recent" history since then, the whole Israel "statehood" thing was a gigantic mistake.

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FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:20 PM

In their defense, Jong - it seemed a good idea at the time.

Historically, the Muslims had often sheltered Jews against Christian persecution, you see, and even now, even still, have a LONGER history of solidarity than they do conflict - this bloodbath is a fairly recent development, and what sparked it in the first place was the desperation of fugitives and refugees needing a place to LIVE, and when it became clear no one else wanted them due to... well, lets cut the bullshit, no one else wanted them because despite the Muslim tolerance of them on occasion, they acted a hell of a lot like this even BACK THEN too, which is why ole Adolf found it so easy to rile folk up against em - doesn't justify it, but fuck, man, someone has to say it, they *DO* shit like this, they always have, which is also what set the Christians to persecuting them in the first place.

But anyhow, they needed X amount of room for Y amount of refugees, and being that no one else would take em, and they didn't HAVE that room, in desperation they resorted to taking territory the only way it's ever successfully done in the middle east - by killin every living soul on it.

That's the root of the hatred, cause Muslim religion and culture is very strong on hospitality rights, privledges and behavior, and to have someone you've offered sanctuary then betray you in such a fashion is justification for Badal (total revenge) against them and everyone from that moment who offers them so much as a sip of water, it's "just not done" to a degree I don't think I can really explain to americans.

Worse was how the damn Irgun tried to drive out the foreigners who might call them on their bloody handed terrorism - by bombing them and trying to pin the blame on Muslims, they got caught on this a couple times, not just the Lavon Affair... but again, the history of backstabbing and deceitful conduct caused most of the folk who supported em at the time to pull out and let them swing, save for the dumbass Americans, who supported them at the time, and even to some degree now, more out of religious intolerance and racism than any justifiable reason.

But thing is, no one wants to look at the history prior to WWII and is often discouraged from doing so by a pathetic sympathy ploy which is such an overblown and tattered rag that it's now all but outright illegal to even QUESTION it ?
(Zundels a fucknut, but he's got a right to ask stupid questions and say stupid things!)

Even in the light of them more or less committing the same abuses against Palestine ?

Eff that - what most folk don't realize is that the particular religion and culture has well over a thousand year history of Chronic Backstabbing Disorder, and that is how and why they wound up shoved on the only folks who would tolerate them DESPITE the outpouring of sympathy over concentration camps and mass graves, because they were still seen en-masse by everyone else to be about as trustworthy as Lu Bu - which is rather borne out by the situation at hand...

Although that's less Judaism in particular than the Zionist faction thereof, but so long as that faction is tolerated in the same way Christians tolerate their own fucking lunatics just cause they claim to be Christian, that ain't gonna be changing any time soon, especially when the tolerant folk who COULD pull the rug out from under then don't dare, since due to the Zionistas behavior, the rest of the middle east is so enraged that were they to do that, their whole nation would be obliterated in retaliation before they could even TRY to negotiate.

Now if we were to cut out unthinking and reflexive political, military and financial support though, those Zionista assholes would be forced to do something other than talk shit, backstab everyone in sight and then come crying to us when folk get pissed off about it - and once they REALLY start getting their ass kicked, prolly go whining and begging to the UN, who (having SOME sense) wouldn't give em the time of day, and they'd be stuck with two options, make peace, or get pacified.

At which poin

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JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:08 PM

Thanks for all that information. I never really cared too much about Israel and the Middle East conflicts. I'd like to continue that fine record of apathy on the issue, but it's gettin' harder to do that when it seems everything in the world is related to it somehow.

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MINCINGBEAST

Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:17 PM

Mr Frem: "due to... well, lets cut the bullshit, no one else wanted them because despite the Muslim tolerance of them on occasion, they acted a hell of a lot like this even BACK THEN too, which is why ole Adolf found it so easy to rile folk up against em - doesn't justify it, but fuck, man, someone has to say it, they *DO* shit like this, they always have, which is also what set the Christians to persecuting them in the first place."

with all due respect, WTF are you talking about? this is the awful liminal space, where legitimate discussion about israel crosses over into blood libel and anti-semitism. one could infer from your statement that, i dunno, jews have been persecuted over the centuries because they deserve it.

if you are right, and "somebody had to say it", I would expect this from PN.

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NIKI2

Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:32 PM

That's an old one, Mincing, don't let your emotions run wild. I'm pretty sure Frem didn't mean anything by it...many cultures are guilty of just the things he's talking about, there's no monopoly on it from the Jews. I'm not quite sure why he has such a hard-on for them, but it's not the first time we've seen him head-up about something.

However, I do think your view is skewed pretty dramatically, Frem. I realize you're talking mostly about the Zionists, who are about on equal footing with the IRA in my opinion, but to lump everyone together like that...and how many cultures do you think have done exactly the same things throughout history?? Backstabbing, etc., is POLITICS--everyone does it and I don't think the jewes have the monopoly you seem to indicate.

I'm not sure what you mean about America backing them "more out of religious intolerance and racism than any justifiable reason", given the intolerance Jews faced in this country for so long...

Mind you, I'm not pro-Irael myself, mostly because of the blind eye America has turned to the situation and how we've kept pouring money and backing in. But "nuke 'em"??? That's no solution to anything; I'd say your statements on that come very close to mirroring Wulf's "guns solve everything" attitude, and I don't think it's fair.

Shall we talk the Christian Crusades? If you want to talk about doing some bad shit, we can find it right there, not to mention what we did to the Native Americans. No country or peoples are any better in their way.

And no, I didn't get indoctrinated into the "Israel is always right" mentality, I was pretty unaware of all the history until after I read/saw Exodus, then went on to read QBIV and especially The Source. Our Israel backing has a LOT to do with the money Jews contribute to campaigns, etc., just like many other stances.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10