FINALLY! Biden goes after Israel!!!
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 19, 2024 17:55
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I got nothing against Israel, please know. I'm just so sick to death of America backing them no matter what they do--and they've been guilty of atrocities every bit as bad as the Palestinians from time to time.
I just want fairness, and I'm all for Israel's survival and flourishing, as long as it's not at the expense of the innocent!
And omygawd, don't tell people here you're Jewish...PN will crawl through the ether and strangle you!!! ;o)
"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10
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Originally posted by Niki2:
I got nothing against Israel, please know. I'm just so sick to death of America backing them no matter what they do--and they've been guilty of atrocities every bit as bad as the Palestinians from time to time.
I just want fairness, and I'm all for Israel's survival and flourishing, as long as it's not at the expense of the innocent!
And omygawd, don't tell people here you're Jewish...PN will crawl through the ether and strangle you!!! ;o)
Many of the Jewish people I know feel the same way... Israel has been built on the suffering of others, and continues to make others suffer for whatever purpose
Hell, many Israelis are against the acts of their own government... I have posted some of their reactions before.
But the US doesn't change what they do, complain publicly and continue to support them with arms and money
to the point where most people don't really care if Israel survives at all. Perhaps the idea of a religious based state is wrong, perhaps it should be ripped apart and replaced with a more secular government that is inclusive of ALL the citizens of the area.
But that is talk, as everything the US has done up to now is talk.
If Israels actions are crimes, and the US keeps giving them money and guns... then the US shares those crimes... and that striped to the bone is why their is a war of terror going on right now.
Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"
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i know, i'm jewish by ancestry, but also a militant, mouth-frothing atheist. i think the idea of a jewish state is dumb, as dumb as the idea of a christian or muslim state. frustrates me, though. there's isn't a single secular or inclusive state in the region, and suggesting that israel ought to be one where Saudi Arabia isn't, is sorta weird. and yes, i get the colonialism angle, too. israel is, however, a fact on the ground. and no side has a monopoly on atrocities, sure.
however, its really hard to keep these thoughts seperate from my identity, and not feel like someone questioning israel's actions, or our unqualified support of them, isn't part of the ancient game of jew-baiting. i know that's not where ya'll are coming from, though...
with the possible exception of PN. PN, do not strangle me. I have hella many Mossad bodyguards, like all joos.
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Good for you, Mincing! Although I think that ought to be 'do not TRY to strangle me'! If you see something ugly ooozing out of your computer connection, SMACK IT! Then again, he's probably a coward anyway, just likes to mouth off and act insane...tho' I'm not sure that last part is an act...
Trust me, doll, I've got nothing against any religion, except that they're organized religions 
--I rarely know what denomination anyone is, or care, unless they make an issue out of it (and NOBODY prosletizes like born-againers!).
"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10
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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
i know, i'm jewish by ancestry, but also a militant, mouth-frothing atheist. i think the idea of a jewish state is dumb, as dumb as the idea of a christian or muslim state. frustrates me, though. there's isn't a single secular or inclusive state in the region, and suggesting that israel ought to be one where Saudi Arabia isn't, is sorta weird. and yes, i get the colonialism angle, too. israel is, however, a fact on the ground. and no side has a monopoly on atrocities, sure.
however, its really hard to keep these thoughts seperate from my identity, and not feel like someone questioning israel's actions, or our unqualified support of them, isn't part of the ancient game of jew-baiting. i know that's not where ya'll are coming from, though...
with the possible exception of PN. PN, do not strangle me. I have hella many Mossad bodyguards, like all joos.
Hell, I'd say you were dead right on Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, etc
and they all get military aid, intell support, etc including help them keep down the oppressed segments of their population who might want to change their government.
The really funny thing is, and I have said this before too
Iran is the moderate state when compared to the rest of the list...
Education, Healthcare, employment, etc
but the Western media seems to hammer on the negatives Iran has while ignoring the fact that all their neighbors have worse records
" suggesting that israel ought to be one where Saudi Arabia isn't "
perhaps they all should be, but Israel was brought into being by the West... so the West owns some responsibility for what they did there
perhaps this might interest you
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8550614.stm?lsm
" Despite their ties to Judaism, many of the Lemba in Zimbabwe are Christians, while some are Muslims. "
these guys seem to have it worked out
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interesting stuff. i've heard of traces of similar communities as far a field as china, but this is something new.
the reason why jews in zimbabwe look like zimbabwians (sic?), and chinese jews don't, is pretty straight forward. people screw; religions don't.
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Originally posted by mincingbeast:
interesting stuff. i've heard of traces of similar communities as far a field as china, but this is something new.
the reason why jews in zimbabwe look like zimbabwians (sic?), and chinese jews don't, is pretty straight forward. people screw; religions don't.
I love this
" Despite their ties to Judaism, many of the Lemba in Zimbabwe are Christians, while some are Muslims.
"Christianity is my religion, and Judaism is my culture," explains Perez Hamandishe, a pastor and member of parliament from the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC).
Despite their centuries-old traditions, some younger Lemba are taking a more liberal view.
"In the old days you didn't marry a non-Lemba, but these days we interact with others," says Alex Makotore, son of the late Chief Mposi from the Lemba "headquarters" in Mberengwa.
"I feel special in my heart but not in front of others such that I'm separated from them. Culture is dynamic. "
They manage to share cultures, traditions and religion ( Jewish, Christian and Muslim to boot ) without conflict ripping up the tribe.
The last line says it all
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That's not actually new, you know, Mohammed pulled it off in Medina back in 622AD.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina
http://www.ijtihad.org/compact.htm
So there's plenty of precedent for it, but the state and culture of Israel is currently run by people who IMHO, are insane.
-F
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Summer Glau can simply walk into Mordor
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Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."
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Either you Are with the terrorists, or ... you Are with the terrorists
Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers.
What you do today, might Burn Your Ass Tomorrow"
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