Obama is doing a job.

POSTED BY: OPPYH
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OPPYH

Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:41 PM

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You know what we're going to get? We're going to get "universal" health care in the sense that Massachusetts got it under Romney: A law that says you have to carry health insurance, but no incentive for the insurance industry to make such health insurance decent in scope or affordable in practice for huge numbers of people. In other words, you'll pay more than you do now, your employer will pay less, and you'll likely get worse coverage than whatever measly plan you may already have. Unless you're poor - then you can get a waiver and opt out of coverage. Gosh, pinch me now; I must be dreaming...

Mike

I swear to God, that is the scariest assessment of a health care plan I've ever heard. Crap, if that's how it plays out I'll move to Canada so damn fast.

SERGEANTX

Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:37 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I swear to God, that is the scariest assessment of a health care plan I've ever heard. Crap, if that's how it plays out I'll move to Canada so damn fast.

Ayup. And I've been following this pretty closely. Congress is declaring it "universally agreed" that this is the way to go - meaning, of course, that the health care industry and insurance lobbyists agree. Obama campaigned against this approach, but recently stated he's ready to reverse his position and sign whatever congress dishes up (there's a shocker). Unless he reads my remarkably eloquent and persuasive letter soon, it's exactly what we're going to get.

It's not that Obama isn't changing things fast enough. As is all too common with modern politics, doing nothing would be better than most of the "changes" he's acting on.

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:41 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

You know what we're going to get? We're going to get "universal" health care in the sense that Massachusetts got it under Romney: A law that says you have to carry health insurance, but no incentive for the insurance industry to make such health insurance decent in scope or affordable in practice for huge numbers of people.

I hope not- I live in Mass, & if that's the plan for the country, then God help us all.

The laughing Chrisisall

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, June 21, 2009 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
I swear to God, that is the scariest assessment of a health care plan I've ever heard. Crap, if that's how it plays out I'll move to Canada so damn fast.

Then better get to sandbaggin it, quick...

Cause this is EXACTLY how we got stuck with the ruinous, useless, complete fucking scam that is auto insurance.

Having been screwed near unto death (and this is NOT rhetoric, but let's not go there now) by both industries in the name of profit, I have a dim view of the idea of "insurance" to begin with, as in essence and actual practice it's not much more than a protection racket once it's legally mandatory.

-F

KWICKO

Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
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You know what we're going to get? We're going to get "universal" health care in the sense that Massachusetts got it under Romney: A law that says you have to carry health insurance, but no incentive for the insurance industry to make such health insurance decent in scope or affordable in practice for huge numbers of people. In other words, you'll pay more than you do now, your employer will pay less, and you'll likely get worse coverage than whatever measly plan you may already have. Unless you're poor - then you can get a waiver and opt out of coverage. Gosh, pinch me now; I must be dreaming...

Mike
I swear to God, that is the scariest assessment of a health care plan I've ever heard. Crap, if that's how it plays out I'll move to Canada so damn fast.

That's what has me so damn scared about Obama. You know me - well, as much as we can "know" each other on a fan board, I guess. You know I was one of Obama's biggest supporters around here. You know I still like the guy; he's charming as hell. I'd LOVE for him to really do some great things for this country; hell, just being elected President is a pretty amazing thing, really, when you think about it.

But some of his weak-willed compromises aren't compromises to political parties or compromises in the interest of bipartisanship - they're compromises purely driven by greed and profit, and they're not designed to actually HELP the American people in any conceivable way, but rather to help the ultra-rich and the corporations once again line their pockets at the expense of the working class.

THAT is the thing I fear most about Obama. I don't worry that he's a socialist - I worry that he's more capitalist than anyone can imagine, and that he's only selling us the image of the socialist reformer.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 22, 2009 3:04 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
this is EXACTLY how we got stuck with the ruinous, useless, complete fucking scam that is auto insurance.

Absolutely.

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 22, 2009 3:05 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

THAT is the thing I fear most about Obama. I don't worry that he's a socialist - I worry that he's more capitalist than anyone can imagine, and that he's only selling us the image of the socialist reformer.

Positively.

The laughing Chrisisall

PIRATENEWS

Monday, June 22, 2009 3:33 AM

Obama's Jewish Polish advisor Zbigniew Brezinski founded AllCIAduh, hanging out with CIA employee USAma Bin Laden in Pakistan

There were several superior candidates for president in 2008, who were actually US citizens. McCain wasn't one of them. Neither was Billary "Clinton" Blythe Rockefeller.

Millions of people rate Hussein Obama Soetoro a big fat ZERO. Actully negative, since he's not even president and is an illegal alien traitor. He spent onver $1-million in court refusing to show his birth certificate. "Obama" represents the total decapitation of USA by the NWO, something Jr Bush tried to do on 9.11 but failed.
http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1

Every person who supports Hussein Obama Soetoro is also guilty of treason, which carries a death penalty, one way or another. Either by arrest, trial and sentence, or by civil war, or by genocide.

If you want to know what "his" socialized medical cartel will be like, ask the military. I've been waiting on a VA doctor appointment for 13 years. The only VA doc in TN that does private radiation testing is from Pakistan. Over 700,000 US soldiers in the 18-year Iraq War are now paid disability pensions, mostly due to sabotaged vaccines. Try living on $100/month, which is more than most disabled soldiers are paid.

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"Obama is a radical Communist. He's going to destroy this country, and we're either going to stop him, or the United States of America is going to cease to exist."
-Ambassador Alan Keyes PhD, candidate for president in 2008
www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/
http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1
http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com

"Yes we can, thank you Satan."
-President Hussein Obama, acceptance speech in Chicago, November 4, 2008
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=37513&m=688607
MP3: www.archive.org/details/ObamaInauguralMashup/

http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com

SERGEANTX

Monday, June 22, 2009 3:49 AM

SergeantX

"It's a cold and it's a broken hallelujah"

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, June 22, 2009 8:57 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I wouldn't say "great", but he's still the best choice we had.

He wasn't the best choice we had. He was the best choice the two party system let us have.

Homer: America, take a good look at your beloved candidates. They're nothing but hideous space reptiles. [unmasks them]

[audience gasps in terror]

Kodos: It's true, we are aliens. But what are you going to do about it? It's a two-party system; you have to vote for one of us.

Man1: He's right, this is a two-party system.

Man2: Well, I believe I'll vote for a third-party candidate.

Kang: Go ahead, throw your vote away.

[Kang and Kodos laugh out loud]

-- "Treehouse of Horror VII"

I think the last election in Peru allowed Peruvians to choose amongst something like 42 candidates for president. Then they had a run-off election amongst the top 3 candidates. Sure, the assholes always end up winning, but at least there is some semblance of choice.

We don't even have that anymore.

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