Obama is doing a job.

POSTED BY: OPPYH
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OPPYH

Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:02 PM

I'll have to eat my words. Being an adamant supporter of Hillary Clinton. It was quite a tough pill to swallow when Obama beat her for the democratic front runner.

That being said, I admire most of his ideas. Although it may take a while to see most come to fruition. Just give him time.

It's better to have many ideas, and get half of them realized, then no ideas except for a war in Iraq.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:32 PM

I wouldn't say "great", but he's still the best choice we had.

The laughing Chrisisall

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, June 21, 2009 6:38 PM

I disagree.

I rate him as about 40% below minimum acceptable parameters.

While that's better than anyone who ran against him might have gotten, it's still a piss poor job in my eyes.

-F

OPPYH

Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I disagree.

I rate him as about 40% below minimum acceptable parameters.

While that's better than anyone who ran against him might have gotten, it's still a piss poor job in my eyes.

-F

"Piss poor"? How so? He has a lot on his plate. It's going to take some time. Our country is damaged. You can't just snap your fingers, and expect it to be be all better.

OPPYH

Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:08 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I wouldn't say "great", but he's still the best choice we had.

The laughing Chrisisall

He certainly isn't an idle president. He hasn't even been in office for a year yet. You can't expect "change" in a 6 month period can you?

KWICKO

Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:11 PM

My beef with him is that he's waffling on things he has absolutely no need to waffle on. There ARE things he can do, and he just isn't, in too many cases, or is doing half-assed sorry compromises on them when there's no need. He was voted in with a pretty solid mandate ("Change"), and he's got an all-but-filibuster-proof majority, and all we're getting is more of the same.

I supported him, I *STILL* support him, but I'm more than a little disappointed at the same time. It doesn't mean I wish I'd voted differently; it means I wish Obama had done some things differently.

And yes, Oppyh, he has a lot on his plate, and he was handed a shit sandwich as well - but that's never been an acceptable excuse. It wasn't acceptable for the previous administration, so I'm not giving Obama a pass just because it's a tough job. It's SUPPOSED to be a tough job! Everyone knows that going in, or at least they damned well should!

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He certainly isn't an idle president. He hasn't even been in office for a year yet. You can't expect "change" in a 6 month period can you?

Well, no... he isn't idle, but being seen a lot and looking busy isn't the same thing as actually DOING something. Anyone who's ever worked in an office can attest to that.

And if you've ever been promoted into a new position or hired on in a new job where you have responsibility to make things happen, you know that you have a short "golden time" where you're given a whole lot of leeway to enact new policies and try new things - if they work, you're a hero, and if they don't, well... you tried something new. After a bit, though, you're no longer the new hotshot, so your ideas don't have the same luster to them, and you're just another guy showing up for work and taking home a check.

Obama's been in less than six months, but it's often the first hundred days that set the tone, and where the most sweeping changes can take place. My fear is that Obama squandered his political capital by waffling, and when he decides he wants to really DO something, it may well be too late; the people and the Congress may no longer be under his spell by then.

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:19 PM

Oh I am well aware - remember, I was the one who said we should hand him a mop immediately after he took the oath of office.

The bailouts were a jackass move, as is not at LEAST cutting back (preferably off) foreign aid, most especially to our so-called-ally Israel, his healthcare plan is a freakin disaster, and he was a dimwit to let Hillary write it cause of her connections with that industry...
(No matter where the trail "officially" leads, Hillary wrote it, believe it.)

Not getting us the hell OUT of Afghanistan and Iraq, something which could be done in 72 hours under the worst-case GOTH plan devised by Gates.

Failure to slash a lot of really obvious waste and pork in the budget despite a massive deficit and enough political cred to have gotten away with it.

And most importantly, A number ONE priority in my opinion, not putting a fucking leash on the goddamn alphabet boys even if it takes military intervention to do it.

And I am a little upset at the non rightwing media for not being critical enough, but he's got them over a barrel with some of the serious crap they did (pay for play editorials, fake "news" stories, direct shilling, etc) to sychophantically suck the bushcock, so they HAVE to suck up to him or face the hammer - slick, smart move, but I don't have to like it, no.

He needs to step up his game if he wants to convince me he's not just another mouthpiece for the slimy chicago political machine dating back to the days of Tammany Hall.

There's few enough folk in our Gov at all that impress me as respectable folk - Gates, for example, although I am sorely pissed over letting that murderous asswipe McChrystal take charge, seniority or not - and in order to join that Obamalamadingdong is gonna have to come up with prettier rabbits out of that hat than he already has done.

-F

OPPYH

Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:23 PM

Obama's health care reform is a HUGE step in the right direction. This is no small, petty plan to please the a few people. This will change America for the better(much better).

This is something that has needed fixing since the 80's. Surely you agree with this.
It proves he is going to try to re-structure America out of Iron, not cardboard.

KWICKO

Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:31 PM

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Originally posted by OPPYH:
Obama's health care reform is a HUGE step in the right direction. This is no small, petty plan to please the a few people. This will change America for the better(much better).

This is something that has needed fixing since the 80's. Surely you agree with this.
It proves he is going to try to re-structure America out of Iron, not cardboard.

Thing is, there ISN'T *a* single, all-encompassing plan that I've seen yet. There's everybody and their lobbyist writing their own damn plan, and none of them mesh or jibe with each other so far. And NOBODY seems to give a rat's ass about bringing the single-payer option to the table. Lots of them agree that it would be a better system, but claim that they don't have the votes, even before trying to put it up to a vote or talking about it in committee or anywhere else.

You know what we're going to get? We're going to get "universal" health care in the sense that Massachusetts got it under Romney: A law that says you have to carry health insurance, but no incentive for the insurance industry to make such health insurance decent in scope or affordable in practice for huge numbers of people. In other words, you'll pay more than you do now, your employer will pay less, and you'll likely get worse coverage than whatever measly plan you may already have. Unless you're poor - then you can get a waiver and opt out of coverage. Gosh, pinch me now; I must be dreaming...

Mike

Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

OPPYH

Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:33 PM

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Obama's been in less than six months, but it's often the first hundred days that set the tone, and where the most sweeping changes can take place. My fear is that Obama squandered his political capital by waffling, and when he decides he wants to really DO something, it may well be too late; the people and the Congress may no longer be under his spell by then.

Mike

The first hundred days do set the tone, and he has made some poor choices in areas that have no relevance to helping our nation. But I feel he is learning a lot as he goes. It is a monumental job to change things for the better, but I think he will do just that.
I'm almost positive he will be elected for a second term. He has plenty of time to fix America.

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