Voters steer Europe to the right

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BLUESUNCOMPANYMAN

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:57 PM

Or Kwik, you twist things so very well. I see now what you were driving at and its just so intellectually dishonest I simply didn't get it the first time.

So I'll rephrase what should have been obvious.

"Given all the factors working against the american survival rate, 2 varibles of which are obesity and murder, how should a reasonable person view a life expectancy of 78.06 years if they were given a choice to reside in the United States of America?"

Does it make sense to you now?

SIGNYM

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:03 PM

It was the usual wikipedia, but it could have come from nationmaster or the CIA factbook as well. (Wikipedia also lists CIA factbook figures as well. Those figures show the USA at 178th, not 163rd. But xfering them over would have been a formatting nightmare.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rat
e_(2005)

From a personal perspective ... MY child almost died at birth. IF they had done a C-section there is a good possibility she would not have been brain-damaged. I don't have a grotch against USA medicine, but I have far too much experience with it.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Or Kwik, you twist things so very well. I see now what you were driving at and its just so intellectually dishonest I simply didn't get it the first time.

So I'll rephrase what should have been obvious.

"Given all the factors working against the american survival rate, 2 varibles of which are obesity and murder, how should a reasonable person view a life expectancy of 78.06 years if they were given a choice to reside in the United States of America?"

Does it make sense to you now?

Oh, relax, Blue - you should know I was just funnin' ya! It was just the way it was worded that struck me as a bit funny.

KWICKO

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 11:42 PM

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My wife and I had our 1st child in December in a womans hospital under our american health care system. Everything seemed fine to me. Nobody in our birthing class seemed worried either. One couple was poor and on medicaid.

Speaking of intellectual dishonesty and using anecdotal evidence to try to back a claim...

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:05 AM

Honestly, I think we have an unecessarily violent, hyper-competitive, insecure society which doesn't give a crap about its citizens, and that is why we not only have a high murder rate, we're obese, suffer from bad health care AND have poor literacy rates.

Everyone here understands at a gut level that we're all nothing but fodder for the system, to be sheared, shorn and eventually slaughtered in the quest for bigger and brighter capitalism. Many people accept the current state of things, which is why they hate THEMSELVES for being poor.

So in a philosophical sense I think Bluesun is unintentionally making my point for me, and extending it to aspects of society that weren't even under discussion.

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 11, 2009 12:31 AM

I read this many years ago in Slaughterhouse 5 and its stuck with me ever since:

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America is the wealthiest nation on Earth, but its people are mainly poor, and poor Americans are urged to hate themselves. To quote the American humorist Kin Hubbard, 'It ain't no disgrace to be poor, but it might as well be.' It is in fact a crime for an American to be poor, even though America is a nation of poor. Every other nation has folk traditions of men who were poor but extremely wise and virtuous, and thereforre more estimable than anyone with power and gold. No such tales are told by the American poor. They mock themselves and glorify their betters. The meanest eating or drinking etstablishment, owned by a man who is himself poor, is very likely to have a sign on its wall asking this cruel question: 'If you're so smart, why ain't you rich?' There will also be an American flag no larger than a child's hand - glued to a lollipop stick and flying from the cash register.

Americans, like human beings everywhere, believe many things that are obviously untrue,... . Their most destructive untruth is that it is very easy for an American to make money. They will not acknowledge how in fact hard money is to come by, and, therefore, those who have no money blame and blame and blame themselves. This inward blame has been a treasure for the rich and powerful, who have had to do less for their poor, publicly and privately, than any other ruling class since, say, Napoleonic times. Many novelties have come from America. The most startling of these, a thing without precedent, is a mass of undignified poor. They do not love one another because they do not love themselves."

It's particularly poignant when you compare it to rappy, who hates everybody except the rich and pwerful...

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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy

Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:41 AM

Ah.

So, you have determined and conceptually isolated what the root of the problem actually IS, I see - because if not, you could have never wrote that.

Now do you understand my "solution" though ?

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

JKIDDO

Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:03 AM

It's gonna take more than one at a time, Frem.

JKIDDO

Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:10 AM

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since marxism is no longer a credible solution

The "solution" that the EU is shoveling isn't Marxism, as all of the pro-capitalists are quick to point out that the EU economy is "basically" capitalist with a heavy dollop of wealth redistribution. What they're applying is a form of Keynesianism, which was developed as an alternate to Marxism and a means of keeping capitalism going. If you're going to toss around opinions it would be nice if they were informed.

CITIZEN

Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:23 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Speaking of intellectual dishonesty and using anecdotal evidence to try to back a claim...

[sarcasm]
Personally I'm enjoying the honesty and lack of insult in that paradigm of honest debates posts.[/sarcasm]

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