Voters steer Europe to the right
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Quote:Indeed these are true facts but you cannot expect to demonstrate them to someone like Citizen without a deriding scoff in return. Submit a debate like this one from 2007 by Grant Shapps in the British house of commons and there can be little he can logically say in return: (though I'm sure he will certainly try)
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Liam Neeson rushed his dying wife to NYC from Canada. Johnny Depp rushed his sick daughter out of France back to America for treatment. People from all over the world go to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota for the finest care.
To quote his best point about the rot inside british social health care:
What I really want to say is that the accountability within the health service is one of the great problems despite the amount of money going in. And we've all, I suspect in this house, experienced the problem whereby you take an issue on behalf of a constituent to the accute health trust. They tell you that it's not them, but the primary care trust that's responsible. So you take it to them, only to be told that it's actually being dealt with by the strategic health authority, now a regional body. You take it to the strategic health authority only to be told that it's really not a matter that they can deal with and that the secretary of state needs to intervene. At which point you write or contact the secretary of state for help, who tells you that it's a matter for the local health economy, and you've gone 'round in a huge circle. And it's very difficult in a system which almost deliberately seems to go out of it's way in order to cause that confusion, to ever pin down and find anybody who is accountable for what's happening locally.
Now insert the opposition debate, which attempts to draw out one singular example of a social health success, but cannot address the overarching rot.
This is the result of a governmental run....anything. According to him at 5:01 in the vid, it takes 5 years wait time in Liverpool to upgrade a hearing aid. WTF? And he describes a kemotherapy unit being closed down due to buracracy at 2:39. Really? Closed down? I've never heard of any such thing happening in the US. Our hosptials are always getting bigger. Every hosptial I've ever been in within the states always has a core structure, with an addition...and another....and another...as the years go by and they keep adding on. But in Britian it sounds as if you'd be lucky outside London if a unit (like kemo) was even nearby. I've seen kemo firsthand, my grandfather died of liver cancer in the early 90's. The process made him horribly sick and weak. He could never have traveled miles for treatment. Thank god he lived (and died) in Indiana and not the UK.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Ha Ha Ha! You Brits and your funny ways! LOL!
Ahh, does the far right lunatic not like being wrong. As someone who was 'educated' by the US public school system you should be used to that by now
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Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
Indeed these are true facts but you cannot expect to demonstrate them to someone like Citizen without a deriding scoff in return.
It can't be true, someone like you believes it's a fact, QED.
Point out that the US is worse than most of the developed world on healthcare, and all you'll get from people like bluesun are lies, half truths and misrepresentation of facts. It's always the same when people who can't think for themselves are faced with facts they don't want to hear.
But show that the US is behind dozens of nations in it's healthcare, while spending more, and Bluesun has no chance of coming up with a logical rebuttal (though he'll think he has):
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The U.S. has the highest infant mortality rate and lowest life expectancy rate for residents older than age 60 among almost two dozen industrialized nations worldwide, according to a report published Wednesday on the Web site of the journal Health Affairs, Gannett/Hattiesburg American reports (Wheeler, Gannett/Hattiesburg American, 9/20). For the report, researchers for the Commission on a High Performance Health System at the Commonwealth Fund examined 37 indicators of health outcomes, quality, access, equity and efficiency developed by the Institute of Medicine, HHS, the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, the National Committee for Quality Assurance and other experts. According to the report, the U.S. overall scored an average of 66 out of a possible 100 on the health indicators and did not score highest on any of the indicators (Carey, CQ HealthBeat, 9/20). The report finds that the U.S. spends twice as much on health care as other industrialized nations in relation to gross domestic product. In addition, the report finds that 61 million U.S. residents lacked health insurance or did not have adequate coverage in 2003 (Young, Bloomberg/Miami Herald, 9/21).
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/52488.php
It's Chemotherapy by the way.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Ha Ha Ha! You Brits and your funny ways! LOL!
Ahh, does the far right lunatic not like being wrong. As someone who was 'educated' by the US public school system you should be used to that by now
Far right? Who me? Sorry, you have me confused with Auraptor. So sorry he's not around to give you the time of day anymore, but I will continue to come here occasionally just to fuck with YOU, because you are truly a sad sack of bullshit and deserve it.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Far right? Who me?
Yep you. You prove it with every post.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Sorry, you have me confused with Auraptor.
You and he do sound alike, well except he has a better grasp of English.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
So sorry he's not around to give you the time of day anymore, but I will continue to come here occasionally just to fuck with you because you are truly a sad sack of bullshit.
QED.
Isn't now the time you're usually at your white supremacists meeting?
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Quote:Glad you like it. But they happen to be facts, so- you're the crazy one, not me.
Thanks for posting Signy! Your crazy spice always makes the stew more flavorable. MMmm Good!
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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I guess you haven't seen or you can't comprehend my posts that :
..Were all against waterboarding and torture.
..Support Gay rights.
So you are wrong again. You're just a fucking troublemaker looking for a fucking fight...Right?? Of course, you got nothing else goin on in your pathetic little life, and coming from the shithole where you do I can understand that. I pity you in your sad little kingdom.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Glad you like it. But they happen to be facts, so- you're the crazy one, not me.
Thanks for posting Signy! Your crazy spice always makes the stew more flavorable. MMmm Good!
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
No, yer the crazy one. Sorry, again. Next!
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Quote:I'm all for fighting one's corner and sticking up for the home team. And I have no problem with being proved wrong.But I,m with Citizen on this one. Even if you have a totally valid point, the minute you start to get abusive and inarticulate, is the minute that not one person will take you seriously, unless of course they are also inarticulate idiots.
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Ha Ha Ha! You Brits and your funny ways! LOL!
Ahh, does the far right lunatic not like being wrong. As someone who was 'educated' by the US public school system you should be used to that by now
Far right? Who me? Sorry, you have me confused with Auraptor. So sorry he's not around to give you the time of day anymore, but I will continue to come here occasionally just to fuck with YOU, because you are truly a sad sack of bullshit and deserve it.
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Oh blow it out your bloomin' arse. You jump in the sewer, don't cry if you get some shit upon your blouse.
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