Is it wrong to be Pro- Alliance ?
POSTED BY: Booksword
UPDATED: Sunday, March 28, 2010 01:34
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Originally posted by moondog:
"What price freedom?"
Any.
Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.
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well, being a trekky in my alter-ego i can understand the desire to be a part of the "federation"...however the browncoat in me tells me the gorram alliance isn't the answer...if i've ever learned one thing..browncoats stick together like brothers...wouldn't want the verse to be any other way...thanx for the question
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Having a government and orderliness is shiny and all, but why the need for an Empire?
You would rather disolve the United States, and Britain, Canada, or wherever you are, and instead be under the thumb of the United Nations run by Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Somalia, Egypt, Sudan, Hezbollah? (many of them headed one of the important UN councils recently, in their rotation, overruling the above listed nations of representative Democracy)?
The Rim Worlds each had a government. They seemed to be satisfied. They also resisted becoming enslaved under Alliance Domination. If you give us your address, we could have your friendly neighborhood whiteslaver come by and package you off to your desired enslavement. If you have daughters, we'd make a bunch of money on the deal, too (you get nothing, of course, being a slave).
I suppose you also revere the tidy doings of Alliance-endorsed Niska ruling Ezra?
Most of the World would disagree with you. They did not salivate at the prospect of enslavement and extermination under the Worldwide reign of the Third Reich, nor the Empire of Japan, nor Napoleon, nor Rome, nor Kaiser Wilhelm, nor King George (British Empire), nor Gengis Khan. Just because their minions won some battles and they reigned for a period of time, why should they be annointed all-time ruler? Why not select a governemtn more responsive to the governed? These are the modern day comparisons of your hallowed Liberty-squashing Alliance.
Yes, it is wrong to be pro-Alliance.
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Originally posted by moondog:
Wonderful--I've read that poem several times (White man's burden if I remember correctly)
Always nice to have a satisfied customer…
Returning to the point of this thread, I do not see how we can claim to have enough information about the war to have an informed opinion of either side. All we really know is what the sides were called, that the Independents were conquered, and that both sides considered themselves to be in the right. It is as if all you knew about WWII was that Germany was conquered at the end. If that is all you know, you have little basis to make claims about who was in the right.
As for the larger question: it seems to me that the important point about a Government is legitimacy: who has the right to order you to do what? The fun comes when people disagree about who the rightful ruler is, or agree that it should be decided by rules that are, in practice, unworkable. You cannot, for example, have a democratic government of any size without a mass media. No one would have any idea about who or what they were voting for…
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You know I have enjoyed the intelligent conversations this thread has bought up however I belive I have the final answer as to why to go Pro Alliance.
Purple..is slimming.
I said it, Purple is stylish and every so pretty.
Sleek is good.
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Originally posted by rallem:
I would like to state my opinion that I think the alliance was right in forcing the border worlds into submission because it was the Alliance who terra-formed those moons and planets into Earth like bodies for their own people to settle. They did not go through all of the trouble and expense for people to move there and start their own governments.
I would like to state my opinion that I think the British Empire was right in forcing the American Colonies into submission because it was the Empire who funded those colonies in the new world for their own people to settle. They did not go through all of the trouble and expense for people to move there and start their own governments.
See how that works?
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Originally posted by PurpleBelly86:
Hell... if it's wrong to be pro-Alliance in this 'verse, I'm proud to be wrong.
I love Firefly - wouldn't be here otherwise - but to be honest the first thing most libertarians need is a dose of cold water. Much as they may be annoying and bureaucratic and perhaps restrictive, governments do have a purpose and responsibilities to their public, and tough situations (like natural disasters, et cetera) have this bad tendency to get ugly when that purpose isn't fulfilled. Even within the context of the show, much as the Alliance does things that look somewhat shady, I'm not convinced a 'verse without them would look any better.
I seriously don't know where to start on this. Let's start with the natural disasters. I live in FL, hurricane alley, baby. Every storm season I make sure that I have the necessary basic supplies in case we get hit. I have a propane cooker, canned food, pasta and about 30 gallons worth of water storage. Mosquito repellent, toilet paper, hell even got some kool aid, tea and sugar laid up. When/if we get hit, the only thing I need for the government to do is restore basic utilities. Anybody worth their weight in dog poo can do this if they're not too busy watching American Idol. But most will cry and wait for Big Daddy Government to come in, kiss their knees and make it all better. (See New Orleans, Katrina) Worse, they will most likely look at me, with my food and all, and call me stingy if I refuse to share with them. And I'm the bad guy if I point out that lack of preparation on their part does not justify an emergency on my part. If I have the food/resources, of course I'd share. But the cold hard fact is me and mine get first dibs, everybody else gets what I feel like giving them. But for someone to expect me to simply because I have more than they do... no. Freedom assumes that you will take some basic responsibilities on as well.
And if anybody wonders, yeah, I've done this before. I lived in Ocala in '04 when we had three hurricanes all pass by or through within two weeks. My family and I were without power for a week and we made it just fine without any Government assistance other than them getting the basic utilities back up and running.
So to sum up, I'll take a less intrusive, less restrictive government, even if it means losing some "services" simply because I don't need them to supply those services. I can do that on my own.
That's the libertarian way.
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Originally posted by Booksword:
Purple..is slimming.
Yeah, but brown hides the dust stains better.
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Originally posted by rallem:
I would like to state my opinion that I think the alliance was right in forcing the border worlds into submission because it was the Alliance who terra-formed those moons and planets into Earth like bodies for their own people to settle. They did not go through all of the trouble and expense for people to move there and start their own governments.
I would like to state my opinion that I think the British Empire was right in forcing the American Colonies into submission because it was the Empire who funded those colonies in the new world for their own people to settle. They did not go through all of the trouble and expense for people to move there and start their own governments.
See how that works?
You are right, but we (America) won the war, and that is the main difference.
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