450 posts IS a worse crime than wanting to kill us .
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, May 22, 2009 14:59
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Damn AgentR, ya beat me to that punch!
Tell me, are you familar with the work of Alice Miller ?
I think you would find it most enlightening, given your own commentary there.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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I note for the record that the original title of the thread
Quote:has the answer built right in: Since when is it a crime to "want" something? Plotting? Maybe. Threatening? Sure.
So, interrogating those who want to kill us is a worse crime than wanting to kill us ?
But "wanting"??? If wanting something were a crime, then Bill O'Reilly and Limbaugh and a bunch of other hosts both right and left-wing, plus nearly everybody on this board (with the exception of ME, of course, since my thoughts are ALWAYS pure!) would be in Gitmo right now, being tortured. Including rappy, who wants...
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We should have strapped him into a glider, filled it nose heavy w/ explosives, and dropped his Allah lovin' ass into a large, empty field. After which, release wild boars into the area so they could make good use of his remains. Now THAT's justice.- rappy
Yeah, that's what Sheikh Issa said. Seems you both have a lot in common.- signy
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And including Hero, who by his own admission wants "liberals" tortured and killed.
Guess it's time to round up those "right-wing extremists" like Rappy and Hero, and let the good squad start in on 'em, eh?
Don't worry, guys - while you're being tortured, I WON'T be cheering on the agents of your doom; I'll be fighting against them just like I always have been. See, SOME of us believe that torture is wrong when YOU do it to THEM, and we also believe that it's just as wrong when THEY do it to YOU.
Guess that must mean we hate America and all those screwy ideals of equality, morality, and fairness...
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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I see the extreme right-wing (is there any other kind left in the repubican party at this point ?) having a serious mental malfunction at this point. Having a black man in the WH is a huge problem for them, but Arlen Specter was just too much to take, I think. Expect all sorts of craziness on all sorts of issues.
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I don't think you ARE, Rue, but I would like some clarification. Are you calling ALL Republicans or Conservatives "extreme Right-Wing"? I had something written out, but thought I would hold off until I saw your response 
Thanks a heap!
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Mal: "Yeah"
Zoe: "So not running now"
Mal: "Not so much"
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Maybe hearsay stands up in YOUR court, sir....
Actually there are hearsay exceptions in the Evidence rules.
And I note for the record that in Court I have access to the Discovery process. That's where I say 'gimmie what you got' (a legal term) and they have to give me what they got.
In this case the evidence is in the hands of President Obama. It is not subject to Discovery unless and until a court case comes about. We are forced to rely on President Obama to voluntarily release those memos. Until they are released they are unavailable (and being unavailable they fall within a hearsay exception).
As for hearsay, the rule would not even apply here. "Hearsay literally means information gathered by the first person from a second person concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience."
In this case the testimony is direct testimony about the contents of the memo by persons who had first hand knowledge of both the memo (meaning they read it...as opposed to being 'told about it') and the facts it alledges. Such testimony would NOT fall under the hearsay rule. The accuracy of the memo itself is another issue.
It would be subject to cross examination..."Mr. Vice President, you don't actually have these alledged memo's do you?" "No." "And you just expect us to take your word...no don't answer that...no further questions."
Then re-direct..."Sir, why can't you produce the memo?" "Because President Obama refuses to release them."
And then I'd put on the FIVE other CIA directors who have seen the memo. Then I'd call the President of the United States...who I remind you has not denied the memo exists or the truth of the matter asserted.
Believe me...these are trials the Democrats don't want to have. Suddenly the President is the one choosing not to do what he can to make us safe, while covering up the successful efforts of the Bush administration, efforts taken with the full knowledge and approval of bipartisan Congressional oversight.
Imagine the scene, some guy...maybe a Marine Corps Colonel in full dress uniform (worked last time) sitting before congress explaining how he saved countless lives from a "second wave" while the families of the 9/11 victims fill the seats behind him. Lets do it...just in time for mid-terms.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Anything that keeps you alive is worth it, eh? You have no values you'd treasure, aside from might makes right and enjoying the fantasy of completely erradicating what gives you trouble, like a bullied child?
I'm saying the living feel shame, the dead feel nothing. There are causes I'd sacrifice my life for. This is not a cause I'd sacrifice YOUR life for.
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I swear, this post of yours sounded like a masturbation fantasy.
I didn't mention Kelly Monaco even once...
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You Are All Powerful. Very old testament. Very Job.
Thanks...but I was going for Moses.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Aren't they the same ones who said Saddam had WMD, though? And by your own admission, that was a fraud. How many times do you think we'll let you try to pull the wool over our eyes?
The fraud was committed by Saddam Hussein.
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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RIP
"Are you calling ALL Republicans or Conservatives 'extreme Right-Wing'?"
No. But the moderate republicans and conservatives are leaving the party in droves, and leaving it to the (imho) nut-jobs. With Limbaugh as the defacto party leader, and people like Rap, Hero and Geezer as the remaining faithful, the party itself is losing the last of its credibility as anything but a fringe element. And when I look at what ties them all together, it is racism and hate.
But this is probably a better topic for the other thread about the repubican party.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
How can he use the words "Arab race" and not stop short and just shake himself out of what he's cooking up in his head? How blurry is his picture that he lumps it all together, vast populations of wholy individual people, and put it in a pot labled "evil" and then pat himself on the back because no one performed genocide on them?
After reading your post I decided to go back and read mine. I stand by the point. In fact I was not sure YOU read my post. The I realized that you may not recognize that these postings are actually a dialogue.
Here is the first relevant part from a posting about the difference between us and the terrorists:
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If we were them...they would cease to exist in the fire of American fury. But we're not them...so instead the get water and mercy. Such is life
"If we were them" is the important qualifier that you missed.
My argument is that if we, the United States, had the same moral approach to the conflict as the terrorists, then they, the terrorists, would cease to exist in "fire" a rhetorical reference to our nuclear arsenal (also implying collateral damage such an attack would have).
That provoked this question by Chrisisall...who respects me:
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So what are you saying here, that we saved the Human race because of waterboarding...?
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No...I'm saying we chose waterboarding over extinguishing the Arab race in nuclear fire. A choice they would not have made given the means and opportunity.
Again I noted that we, the Americans, chose waterboarding over the complete destruction of the Arab race, correctly drawing the distinction that the terrorists would not hesitate to visit such destruction against all of America.
I note for the record that my comment about choosing waterboarding over nuclear war is a bit extreme as there are many levels of violence between the two...but the point isn't about us...its about them. The terrorist would destroy us if they could...with whatever they had...and dance in the streets if they succeeded. We on the other hand weep, rage, and beg forgiveness for a level of violence much less then they would inflict upon us.
You see, we want to kill the terrorists. Not because they are Muslim, or from an Arab country (or from a non-arab Muslim country, like Pakistan), but rather for the simple reason that they want to kill us, not just American soldiers, not just members of the Bush administration, not just Wall Street execs, not just men, not just women...but all of us because the very nature of American society and culture is considered by them to be an abomination before their God.
Please consider the nature of our discussion and read the entire dialogue. Feel free to disagree and chime in so I can tell you why your wrong or admit that your right (far less likely, but hey...thats what its all about, right?).
H
"Hero. I have come to respect you"- Chrisisall, 2009.
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