450 posts IS a worse crime than wanting to kill us .
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, May 22, 2009 14:59
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I won't cheer and I won't laugh. I also won't be terribly surprised.
I will, but quietly, as I prepare a shank for the other end of the political spectrum to slam in their spine while they're busy waterboarding the same assholes who lowered the bar and enabled it.
Neither political "side" wants to end the abuses, really - all they are truly concerned about is whos hand holds the leash of the monstrous and untrustworthy alphabet soup goons that commit them.
The only thing *I* am thinkin when I look at either end of that leash today, is why Old Yeller had to die.
Satsujin no Ken - Katsujin no Ken
The Sword that Takes Life, the Sword that Gives Life
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Originally posted by rue:
Conservative leader and radio host Rush Limbaugh asserted, "If you look at what we are calling torture, you have to laugh," said that "if somebody can be water-tortured six times a day, then it isn't torture," and claimed that "appeasers" have "water[ed] down" definition of torture like "NOW gang" did with definition of domestic violence.
Radio host G. Gordon Liddy compared the proposed technique of placing a detainee who "appears to have a fear of insects" in "a cramped confinement box with an insect" to his appearance on a game show, stating, "I went through worse on Fear Factor."
Fox News contributor Mike Huckabee mocked the same technique: "Look, I've been in some hotels where there were more bugs than these guys faced." Huckabee went on to state that under the Obama administration, "We're going to talk to them, we're going to have a nice conversation, we're going to invite them down for some tea and crumpets."
Fox & Friends co-host Gretchen Carlson replied, "That usually works with your kids, too, right? When they're in trouble for something, they just tell you everything."
To which her co-host Steve Doocy joked, "Mr. Moussaoui, it's time for you over in the time-out chair."
To buttress his support of torture, Fox News' resident conspiracy-theorist-in-chief Glenn Beck aired a clip from Fox's 24.
When they weren't bowled over with laughter, many media conservatives were serving up the dubious claim that harsh interrogation techniques used on Khalid Shaikh Mohammed "stopped an attack on the Library Tower in Los Angeles." The claim conflicts with the chronology of events put forth on multiple occasions by the Bush administration. Indeed, the Bush administration said that the Library Tower attack was thwarted in February 2002 -- more than a year before Mohammed was captured in March 2003. Facts be damned, Fox News and others pressed forward with the story repeatedly. (But missed the bigger story that time travel had been perfected.) Typifying the use of this story, Sean Hannity claimed this week that enhanced interrogation techniques "saved an American city, Los Angeles."
The utter absurdity of their position takes my breath away. If the torture we've put these people through is so laughably mild HOW THE HELL IS IT SUPPOSED TO FORCE A CONFESSION OUT OF ANYONE? 'Cause, y'know, that was the point, supposedly--to get the detainees to crack. The word hypocrisy seems too weak to cover their utter contempt for reason to further their agenda. I've no doubt that if the shoe were on the other foot, and the Libs were defending torture, the Cons would be making a huge stink about what a waste of taxpayer money these woosy-torture programs are!
HKCavalier
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I see we have control freaks, dare I say AUTHORITARIANS here who want to play 'change the thread title ' because they simply can't have others who disagree with them.
Classic.
The Left will demonize anyone, any position they can think of, no matter what it is, just to sway public opinion and get more and more political power. The Left, more than any other, is PARTY FIRST, America SUCKS.
Its the tactic of picking the ' low hanging fruit'. Gen up a phony issue, like accusing the Bush admin of TORTURE, where there is no torture, and then let the chaos ensue. Meanwhile, .....
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Hello,
Auraptor, If I was forced to feel that I was drowning, I'm confident I would feel tortured. This is not a political statement.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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And some might say that being locked in a cell and confined is torture to. Just where does the line get drawn ? These folks are NOT kidding around here, they actually want to , plan and carry out acts of pure terrorism, and I think it's rather important that we stop them from succeeding. I'm not condoning " at any cost ", per se, but we must to acknowledge that sometimes it takes a combination of methods to get these guys to talk.
As I understand 3 were waterboarded, and that practice stopped back in '05. What the Libs are bitching and whining about was abandoned over 4 YEARS ago. And it worked, too. I fail to see where there is ANY legitimate issue here.
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Quote:You know, for a long time now, every time you go on about "the Left...", I hear it in that voice of the guy from Temple Of Doom- you know the one- "..it seems THE BRITISH blah blah blah..." LOL.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Left will demonize anyone
The laughing Chrisisall
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Hello,
I am glad the acts of torture we committed are being discussed. 4 years ago is as near as 4 years from now, and if we don't settle the issue on the past, we'll be seeing it again in the future.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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But discussing torture when there isn't torture.....
what are we talking about again ?
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You know, for a long time now, every time you go on about "the Left...", I hear it in that voice of the guy from Temple Of Doom- you know the one- "..it seems THE BRITISH blah blah blah..." LOL.
You'd prefer I say 'Freedom hating, commie pinko, pansy assed America hater ' ? I know, means the same thing, but ' Lib ' is so much more concise.
Figures you'd quote Temple of Doom. That's only the 2nd worst Indy film, thanks to the lastest piece of Go Se.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Left will demonize anyone, any position they can think of, no matter what it is, just to sway public opinion and get more and more political power. The Left, more than any other, is PARTY FIRST, America SUCKS.
And on the other side, we have the right, who spent the last eight years shouting (in unison) "We are NOT fascists!" - and who now come down firmly in favor of torture. If there was ever any doubt that right-wingers are indeed fascists, one only has to listen to them endorse and champion torture to be convinced of their true nature. Hold a man over the volcano, and you'll see the real man - the one being held, and the one holding him over that volcano.
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Its the tactic of picking the ' low hanging fruit'. Gen up a phony issue, like accusing the Bush admin of TORTURE, where there is no torture, and then let the chaos ensue. Meanwhile, .....
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You mean a phony issue like flag-burning, gay marriage,
"freedom fries", or faux phoned-in patriotism? Those kinds of phony issues?
Meanwhile, that "low-hanging fruit" you refer to... do you prefer to hang them by their thumbs, or by their balls?
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:You know, for a long time now, every time you go on about "the Left...", I hear it in that voice of the guy from Temple Of Doom- you know the one- "..it seems THE BRITISH blah blah blah..." LOL.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Left will demonize anyone
The laughing Chrisisall
Funny... I hear it in the voice of Gabby Johnson from "Blazing Saddles".
Mike
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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