A whole new war, a dazzling hate I never knew

POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Friday, January 30, 2009 20:59
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PIRATECAT

Monday, January 26, 2009 1:56 AM

OBAMA has crossed the Rubicon. Dreamtrove this is not a war of choice. The war is to be fought. Winning does not mean anything. There is nothing to gain. Its one culture verses another culture. One's gotta go. I felt we were better with Bush than with out him. Now listening to alot of young men and women from different states who've been over there. It was interesting that the afghan pakistan border is a real war going on. In afghanistan you might deal with just angry farmers. The pakistan military is also the terrorists. From what I've heard is that they are the enemy. One case was a US Army regular was murdered by Pakistan soldiers. The major was going to be revenged by US Soliders and the state department put a squash on that. The Pakistans are aiding the terrorists. So I support Obama's actions. I did the same for Clinton. Now they represent the office that the people elected. That is your duty as a soldier. Now I wish I could say this about the ala cart liberals. I'd like to think that I don't make things political at the cost of liberty.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

DREAMTROVE

Monday, January 26, 2009 2:08 PM

HK

The Mumbai attacks, my instinctive response was, this a reason to get India into the GWOT, and a reason to invade, but not India, we'll twist this one, say they're from Pakistan.

That was with no other information. Like when I was watching 9-11, my reaction was "It wouldn't happen like that, unless there was a bomb already in the building, the concrete would collapse, but leave the metal frame standing."

These, in themselves, are not conspiracy theories. Mujahideen in India, Al Qaeda putting a bomb in the WTC before flying planes into them, perfectly logical explanations, that didn't happen to surface, but could have. If the logical explanation of the logical sequence of events fails to surface, it leads people to think elsewhere.

I'm an intensely logical person. I'm sometimes wrong, because the logical solution isn't always the correct one. But betting against it is not a good idea I've found. I'd say excepts are like gemstones on the beach, in frequency.

Here's what hit wrong about the Mumbai attacks. There was no reason. I don't believe in people who hate freedom. I believe in muslims who hate westerners, but there's no reason to travel so far. There are plenty of muslims who hate westerners right there in mumbai, and plenty of westerners to hate right there in Pakistan.

But every war needs a gulf of Tonkin. Hell, maybe we did it ourselves.

The attacks on Pakistan began under the Bush Admin, this is not a new plan, but it needed new rules:

1. an incident
2. a puppet govt.

The CIA sent in Benazir Bhutto as "Homecoming Queen" knowing that the Bhutto's were hated for being the most corrupt family in Pakistan, and that she would be assassinated. That's logical, it stirs up a revolution. This isn't theory

Of course, if the Pakistanis didn't do it, I'm sure the CIA could lend a hand. That's theory.

Just separating the two.

Benazir Bhutto's husband coming to power in a coup? That's never going to happen by popular revolt, they are hated by many in Pakistan, but it can be can be manipulated. Manipulation, coup attempt successful, new unelected probably unpopular govt. installed. That's what happened, again, fact, no theory.

CIA constructing that coup to have a "friendly govt." in place? Theory, but let's add this little fact to that theory. Asif Ali Zardari, Benazir Bhutto's husband, doesn't have an education, less than I do, he has outstanding charges for terrorism, murder and the embezzlement of one and a half billion dollars. He's worse than Ahmed Chalabi. Does this sound to you like a candidate about to be sworn in by mass popular appeal. Last time he was in town, he was run out on a rail, and ran off with a decent chunk of the treasury.

But Zardari is not an executive decision maker, he listens to his chief advisor Zalmay Khalilzad, on a level that Bush was run by Cheney and never made a single executive decision, it's very safe to say that Zalmay Khalilzad is making the executive decisions.

Zalmay Khalilzad is not just a member of the CFR and a former member of the Bush Admin. He is also a long term neocon thinktanker, he is also one of the original PNAC signatories. To say that this guy is bad news is not even scratching the surface, he called for a full on US invasion of the entire region. And he's making the executive decisions in Pakistan. And none of that is theory. And under an unelected govt. Nor is it theory that Khalilzad is a former CIA contact during the war against the USSR.

Neutral, independent govt. of Pakistan calling itself pakistan? That about as absurd as calling the Chinese Communist installed administrative centers "the govt. of Tibet" or even Taiwan, etc.

So, the issue here is that the Obama administration is carrying out a policy set up by the Bush administration to kill a bunch of rural villagers who, if they pose a threat to civilization, civilization is already doomed. I mean, North Korea is run by lunatics and has nuclear weapons. Worse yet, there are at least two muslim nations run by even worse lunatics that have even more nuclear weapon

CITIZEN

Monday, January 26, 2009 2:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
{Average uneducated reactionary}
Why don't we just nuke the Taliban?
{/Average uneducated reactionary}

{Bush}
Why don't we just bomb terrorland?
{/Bush}

Anyway, at this early stage I'd have thought the military would still be largely running on Bush Admin policy.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.

CHRISISALL

Monday, January 26, 2009 2:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:

Anyway, at this early stage I'd have thought the military would still be largely running on Bush Admin policy.

So much policy; so little time, eh?

The laughing Chrisisall

WULFENSTAR

Monday, January 26, 2009 2:54 PM

The way I read it, Obama just killed a bunch of villagers so he could show that he was able to flex his military muscles...

Right. Great.

HERO

Monday, January 26, 2009 3:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Why don't we just bomb terrorland?

Isn't that in Disney World?

I love the 'Tower of Terror'.

H

HERO

Monday, January 26, 2009 3:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I said he had 18 months unless he did something utterly moronic like attack Pakistan. This would be where he just attacked Pakistan. Meet the new president, just like the old president.

I note for the record that attacking Pakistan is a dramatic shift in US policy. This is "change" that Obama promised.

During the election he specifically said he would sit down and talk with Hamas and Iran...but that he would attack and invade Pakistan. It was an election issue. Talk with the enemy, bomb the ally, change we can believe in.

H

CHRISISALL

Monday, January 26, 2009 3:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The way I read it, Obama just killed a bunch of villagers so he could show that he was able to flex his military muscles...

Right. Great.

Yes, he controlled the drone personally, worked the stick & pressed the buttons.
Or did it happen without his knowledge?

We need more info.

The questing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, January 26, 2009 3:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Talk with the enemy, bomb the ally, change we can believe in.

That's...I mean, very clever. Were I a NeoCon I would be LOL.

The

Chrisisall

HERO

Monday, January 26, 2009 3:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Talk with the enemy, bomb the ally, change we can believe in.

That's...I mean, very clever. Were I a NeoCon I would be LOL.

Don't give me the credit...I voted for John McCain.

BTW, James Garner, Jack Kelly, and Sarah Palin are the only real Mavericks. Roger Moore, Robert Colbert, Mel Gibson, and John McCain can all bite me.

H

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