A whole new war, a dazzling hate I never knew

POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Friday, January 30, 2009 20:59
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CHRISISALL

Monday, January 26, 2009 7:17 PM

And you're a Hobbsist, eh Hero?

The laughing Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, January 26, 2009 7:24 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:

Obama's first briefing as President was on military operations and National Security.

I'm sure he noted this:

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Item # 1793: Pronounce incorrectly the name of the leader of Iran.
Item # 1794: Use drone to destroy the village the next attack comes from in Pakistan.
Item # 1795: Get Dick a wheelchair that looks cool & has working brakes.

The laughing Chrisisall

CITIZEN

Monday, January 26, 2009 7:30 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Sure, he was a little busy on January 20 to get into the details, but being late for your ball is excusable if your taking an extra ten minutes to fight the war.

He's got eight years of policies to undo, and he's had 6 days to do it. It's only God who managed to create a new world in six days, and God had to rest on the seventh. You need to remember that Obama is but a man, not the messiah.

I also doubt that his briefing included every single mission briefing and policy enacted by the Bush administration over the last 8 years. At least he isn't refusing to come back from holiday during this crisis eh ;).

At any rate, I still want to know where you're outrage is for the years that Bush was doing this, I won't go so far as to ask you to acknowledge how wrong you were when you said that this attack is a change in policy though.

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DREAMTROVE

Monday, January 26, 2009 8:55 PM

Um, okay.

Citizen is right that Bush bombed Pakistan. The Bush line on this is "oops" but I don't buy it.

Hero is right that when Obama reviewed the policies to and okayed them, they are Obama policies. Now maybe he did not want this, but he should speak up.

The last argument doesn't hold water. Whether or not you bomb your friends is probably item #1, actually, Pakistan is probably on the top 5 items, along with Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran. I'm sure it came up at the first meeting.

Oh, there was some more change on a different topic. Obama reversed fuel standards limitations. I have to go post that.

CITIZEN

Monday, January 26, 2009 9:59 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
The last argument doesn't hold water. Whether or not you bomb your friends is probably item #1, actually, Pakistan is probably on the top 5 items, along with Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran. I'm sure it came up at the first meeting.

I doubt it. I rather doubt the policy is "do we bomb this guy?". I very much doubt it's number one on the list. The actual orders will be some esoteric order signed by bush years ago with a name like "Directive #1532567: Authorisation for cross border anti-Taliban Operations". And I guarantee it won't be #1 on any list with a nice simple title like "Hey Prez, should we Bomb Pakistan, yes or no."

General policy toward Pakistan is probably high on the agenda, but that doesn't mean specific orders relating to these cross border missions is, especially since they most likely fall under Afghanistan military policy, not administration diplomatic policy toward Pakistan. It's a bureaucracy, there'll be lots of directives on the books that Bush put through, that Obama won't even know about. You can of course say that that is incompetence, or you can take a realistic view and realise that government is a huge beast and wading through it all would take a life time, and he does have to fit at least four years of presidency in there somewhere as well.

What doesn't hold water is the assumption that he defiantly knew and approved it. And that is all I'm arguing against. I haven't said it is defiantly not his doing, I said it is highly unlikely, and that there are more likely explanations that have basically been ignored. If this is still going on a month from now, IF he doesn't reverse policy, THEN you'll know. Right now, though, you don't, and it's the assumption that it must be this or must be that that does not hold water.

I do note, though, that Hero called this a war. It was my understanding that, constitutionally, only congress can declare war, and they haven't done that since the 1940's. Is this an admission that Bush acted unconstitutionally?

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DREAMTROVE

Monday, January 26, 2009 10:48 PM

Citizen, as usual, we disagree. I think the predator missions were near the top of the agenda. I credit Barack with some brains. It's far from obscure that you send robots to war against an ally.

Top on the agenda was undoubtedly Gaza.

CITIZEN

Monday, January 26, 2009 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Citizen, as usual, we disagree. I think the predator missions were near the top of the agenda. I credit Barack with some brains. It's far from obscure that you send robots to war against an ally.

It's not about him having brains or not. Someone can be intelligent and also not omnipresent. At any rate you don't know, you think that it is the top of the list with big flashing lights and there's no way he couldn't have known because that circumstance supports your case. I'm merely saying you don't know, and you won't know until his reaction becomes apparent. If there's more attacks, or not, then you know.

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DREAMTROVE

Monday, January 26, 2009 11:23 PM

No, I don't know, I was only going by Barack Obama saying "Gaza is at the top of the agenda." [/sarcasm]
It wasn't a guess.

CITIZEN

Monday, January 26, 2009 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
No, I don't know, I was only going by Barack Obama saying "Gaza is at the top of the agenda." [/sarcasm]
It wasn't a guess.

Hmm, and since I was talking about the predator drone attacks (the topic of this thread, and what I quoted...), not Gaza, I guess we can still go with the "Guess not Fact" thing.

Unless you have some evidence proving he knew about them before hand?

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PIRATENEWS

Monday, January 26, 2009 11:56 PM

NoBama sending robot UAV Terminators to bomb a nation that can retaliate with NUKES should get him committed to the loonybin for insane suicidal tendencies.

So NoBama murder count is at 14, as of yesterday. Not counting his granny in Hawaii. Or the gay organ player at Rev Wright's church. Or 1,500 black Christians in Kenya.

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Obama's Jewish Polish advisor Zbigniew Brezinski founded AllCIAduh, hanging out with USAma Bin Laden in Pakistan

(AP) – Continuing a White House ritual begun by Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush left a note in the Oval Office for President-elect Barack Obama, wishing him well as he takes the reins of the executive branch.

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THE WHITE HOUSE

Dear President Barack,

Cheney made me do it. Please don't arrest me!

Sincerely,

George W Bush

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