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FREM
Nobody is posting but me. I have that Elvenlied theme stuck in my head. Catchy. I might try to find an mp3.
I just read through all the neurochem. It was pretty light reading, and most of it fairly obvious. The insights in the male vs. female response was interesting, logical. This was all very familiar territory as you might have guessed, you don't practice neurochemistry, I hope, unless you're pretty well versed in the subject. The only other thing was the how the animal response systems if activated continuously would create desensitization, which of course they would.
I didn't find anything inaccurate in it, so the people doing this have done their homework. It's a field I know very well, as I said. Nothing here was really news, but it's an angle to gnaw on, the whole of both articles were well thought out and researched, if simplistic at times.
Prenatal substance exposure and early substance abuse is equally obviously going to have a more profound impact on receptor sensitivity, as is any sort of damage, heavy metal poisoning, etc.
But still, it is a beginning. The most obvious mechanism is the cortical response, but there is a lot not touched on here. I think there's much more going on, I wrote in another post about the effects of tryptomine build up on the system.
The competitive interaction of different neurochemical systems can also cause a shift balance in dominant systems. Repeated events would normally have more impact for the obvious reasons. Often Psychiatry exaggerates the impact of the singular chemical event. But the rumination factor is important, the reiteration of neurological events not only reinforces chemical states, but neural networking, creating superhighways within the brain for certain pathways. Obsession over a singular event, or even repeated one, is more damaging than the event itself, which probably is a foundation of the mental block.
Bruce Perry and co have a good primer here. I found it easy reading, but anyone not familiar with the subject, or even if you are, should follow the link and check it out. It's pretty rare for anyone in the mental health community to have the foggiest idea what's going on.
Btw, I'm glad to see you analyzing it on this level. This is the correct analysis, and it's a minority view in the medical establishment.
That said, to say that one upbringing is right, and another wrong, and one chemical state normal, and another abnormal, is a fine line. Clearly, there are some situations that are way out of line. I have a friend whose father killed his mother, whereupon he was adopted by Christian fundamentalists who told him he was cursed and locked him in a room for 10 years. That's extreme. I have some other stories like that, I'm sure you do too.
Oh, if you're interested, I posted some of my own personal experiences growing up on another thread, which I will not link to here, because I'm not encouraging through traffic. If I could email it... Maybe I'll just repost, on another off thread. I just don't want to encourage any more attacks on the person who I'm conversing with. Under the radar, as it were. Step carefully is all. Thanks.
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Mmm, tasty rant-o-licious, but very informative.
Yes, these places still exist, and they number easily in the hundreds, we do some of our own investigating to determine whether a facility meets the criteria or not, but our people are far outclassed by Shelby on this.
http://www.isaccorp.org/
(Pathway is one of my pet hatreds, mind)
See, I got involved back when these places were considered naught more than a conspiracy theory or myth, and while originally we might have started out as a bunch of crack brained terroristic saboteurs retaliating against the collective that destroyed some of our friends - we eventually evolved from crowbars to cameras, cause exposure does far more damage to them.
Synanon was partially financed by the Monarch/Bluebird line of those schemes, many of which ran concurrently in competition with each other at the time, something we discovered by accident while sweeping their trashbins of documents they were not smart enough to shred first.
Considering the length and depth of involvement, which is now obvious, by now you can be assured I have massive amounts of evidence of all kinds, right down to in one case the security cam tapes of the incident itself - because of that evidence, the GAO report sponsored by Congressman George Miller, and our ability to make casualties public, the in-program deaths dropped off radically around October 2006, but till that point they were all too common.
(In fact I keep a casualty list, and have posted those of others a couple times.)
Now, I don't handle any of this from a drug abuse/addiction standpoint, what my interest comes from is that there are some folk, particularly in public schools, that wind up in these hellholes because the programming, so very counter to their own human instincts - doesn't stick, some people are incredibly resistant to it by nature, you see ?
And so, they get thrown into one of THESE places.
And we get em out, back then that involved more of a prison-break methodology but now it's more a matter of showing up with the right paperwork - the folks who run these places find Caica and all the rest to be an annoyance at best, but they *fear* running afoul of a collective that doesn't play by the unspoken rules, and will cough them up as the fee to avoid a head-on confrontation, of which there have been a few both messy and memorable on both ends, while not gonna discuss it beyond that, this came damn close to a private war in 2006, only ended by attrition and those running the facilities deciding to stop provoking it by ending some of their more drastic deeds.
And the ones we take - they more often than not wind up working for us, you understand.
As for neurochemistry, what I know would fit in a thimble, but a damn specific one, and I got enough empirical experience with broken people to know damn well Perry's on the right track as far as I can see from that angle, and Alice Miller is dead-bang on the psychological.
My place in it these days is more of a spiritual leader for an organisation built out of rescuees and survivors, since my primary skills are no longer so useful due to age and injury, too damn old and battered to be creeping these places in the dark with a camera and kitbag anymore, especially since there's plenty of younger, more able folk with better training to serve that purpose.
As for the Sembler/Lichfield/Kay collectives, they've got their own personal interest in nothing bad happening to me, cause if it does, the contents of certain safes and boxes will get wilded to the internet, law enforcement, the public at large, etc - and in such a way that action will *have* to be taken to pacify an outraged public, something I'd be inclined to do anyway were the contents not so damn personally incriminating.
Anyhows, you're perfectly capable of putting two plus two together here without me needing to add it up for ya, so I think you've finally gotten the general concept of what I do in a general form, which is all you really need to know about it.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those wh
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Mmm, tasty rant-o-licious, but very informative.
My apologies, but it's a ridiculous hour, and so I'm not thinking as clearly a I should, I'll scan through this, fall asleep, and try again in the morning.
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Yes, these places still exist, and they number easily in the hundreds, we do some of our own investigating to determine whether a facility meets the criteria or not, but our people are far outclassed by Shelby on this. http://www.isaccorp.org/ (Pathway is one of my pet hatreds, mind)
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See, I got involved back when these places were considered naught more than a conspiracy theory or myth, and while originally we might have started out as a bunch of crack brained terroristic saboteurs retaliating against the collective that destroyed some of our friends - we eventually evolved from crowbars to cameras, cause exposure does far more damage to them.
It's a tricky, tricky world. Always be unsure, and suspicious of yourself, and your allies. Being suspicious of your enemies is easy. But we all end up fighting for causes we believe in, but whether or not we are fighting for the right side, or indeed, if there is a right side to fight for, that's an issue... It's all so much more complicated than it seems.
For example: Did the women's rights movement enslave women? It's just a question, that no feminist wants to hear. Worse yet, was it created and supported for that purpose? And what was the purpose of that? To decrease the price of labor? To decrease the population? Or to remove the mother from the home, so it could become, the state is mother, the state is father.
Likely all of the above. Between the education system and the MSM, the state is a single parent. But as I said, it's always more complicated than it appears, isn't it just? I could tell a story or two about working for the EU education system, and its ultimate agenda, or what I suspect, and what some of the people within it suspect. It's just complicated, is all.
btw, you are right, the camera is a powerful weapon.
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Synanon was partially financed by the Monarch/Bluebird line of those schemes, many of which ran concurrently in competition with each other at the time, something we discovered by accident while sweeping their trashbins of documents they were not smart enough to shred first.
No one is ever careful enough. It's a danger. I think about this because, as someone, maybe chris, posted, what happens when we are tptb? Will we be as vulnerable to this sort of attack. I'm fairly familiar with the agenda of the larger globalist organizations. I suspect small cults like Synanon being a mixture of three things: those desiring to start a cult, those who actually believe they are helping, and those that just want to make a quick buck. It's possible that there is more to it, but even human trafficking rings are just a product for the avarice appetite of the elite, not a threat on the level of globalism itself.
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Considering the length and depth of involvement, which is now obvious, by now you can be assured I have massive amounts of evidence of all kinds, right down to in one case the security cam tapes of the incident itself - because of that evidence, the GAO report sponsored by Congressman George Miller, and our ability to make casualties public, the in-program deaths dropped off radically around October 2006, but till that point they were all too common. (In fact I keep a casualty list, and have posted those of others a couple times.)
Govt. intervention may not be the assistance you need. The govt. has a vested interest in putting an end to private education. As I see it, public education is the more major threat. If we are to ever establish an alternative power structure, we are going to need to create our own institutions, and that is our right as Americans, but in the increasingly state run socialist atmosphere, that could become impossible. If so, don't ever pin a hope on taking over the public system and using it for good, that will never happen. You will jus
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KWICKO
Where to begin? 7"? Really? Is that all? That doesn't seem very tall. Maybe you meant 7 feet...
Spinal Tap error, my apologies.
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And he was obviously a democrat. If he were a Republican, he'd have shoved his hand down your pants while crying about how shamed he was about it.
lol.
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Oh, by the way - it wasn't me! I'm not exactly 7 feet tall, but I'm not far from it at 6'9"...
Watch out for david. I have a friend who's 6'8". You play basketball? You get that a lot probably.
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Bump
just because Frem is on, and hasn't responded to my exceptionally long rant (above).
Meanwhile, John is posting and it's giving me a headache. I think I'll pop a valium and put on some music. maybe I can get that lilium on mp3. It's catchy. do some reading, or maybe fall asleep.
Bohemian moloch worshipper is all.
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Govt. intervention may not be the assistance you need.
As an anarchist, you can pretty well imagine my reaction at the mere thought, I don't believe in Govt as the solution to ANY problem.
But I do believe in people.
What kicked off the GAO intervention was a certain congressman George Miller, who got very suspicious of these places and decided to start hitting them after hours without calling ahead - and prettymuch got the shock of his entire jaded life, which turned it personal for him.
I don't count on them to DO anything mind you, but if they wind up setting any kind of standards and limits on what these places cannot legally do to those under their care we can document endless violations (cause we know damn well they're not gonna change how they work, only try to hide it better) and cause all manner of trouble for them on that end.
Turning one element of the system against another, back on itself like Ouroborous the serpent, swallowing it's own tail, is one of my best tactics when going up against such bad odds - and it's not that hard to do.
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As I see it, public education is the more major threat.
Not gonna debate that a bit, but that's a battle you can fight in the open without the need for smoke & mirrors, deniability and such.
At least for now...
http://www.schoolandstate.org/roadtofreedom.htm
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I'm not sure which programming you are referring to? The public schools are a hell hole, and their programming is so very counter to human instinct.
Both, public schools employ a form of social engineering that is extremely counter to natural human instincts and I feel that this is the root cause of most of the aberrant behavior they wind up endlessly whining about as the two sets of radically different imperatives clash within the minds of children causing all manner of psychological issues which manifest in as many ways as there are human beings.
And so they try to medicate it, Ritalin, Prozac, whatever - which in the end will fail cause nature itself will work against them and the children of those children, and their children, will become resistant to the drugs, something we're beginning to see already.
And then for those who resist both the programming, and the drugs, or who's parents won't "play ball" with the system, those kids get tossed into 'second chance' schools like I did, and from there... the camps.
Not sure if you can imagine the environment that was, to be punished and ostracised for no better reason than seeing through the masquerade and refusing to play along, having friend after friend "dissappeared" to the camps, never knowing when it might happen to you.
In the end I walked at the very moment I could legally get away with it, and then went and bagged up the paper/GED at sixteen (there was a way you could do so back then, if you knew how) and never looked back.
Some few of us dropouts, rejects and renegades then decided to do something about that shit, and we did - most of them didn't stick, a couple committed suicide, cause it's pretty hard on folk to deal with this, but in the end a force does exist to oppose the camps and those who run them, and with or without any specific individual, including me, it will endure.
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But the idea, by its nature is not nefarious. Fighting the network and tptb would definitely take some of the tactics that your opponents are using. It's just a tricky, tricky world.
Indeed it is, one of the reasons we use such a tight ROE is to prevent that very problem, to be honest, I HATE zealots and will not work with em cause they leap before they look on mere suspicion and muddy the issue.
So we're very keen on actual confirmation, even in the case of WWASP facilities which are by their very form and function almost absolutely assured to be abusive, but we get confirmation FIRST.
An Amateur makes assumptions, a Professional makes SURE.
And yes, using their own tactics against them is prettymuch how I work, and why the wide-eyed naive idealists don't like me any better than tptb, or in
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I was busy writin a post you silly farmer, and my fingers are cold from bein outside (DAMN it's cold out there) so it took a while.
-F
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maybe I can get that lilium on mp3.
Here.
http://mp3-codes.com/mp3/play/id/15180
-F
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Thanks for the mp3
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Govt. intervention may not be the assistance you need.
As an anarchist, you can pretty well imagine my reaction at the mere thought, I don't believe in Govt as the solution to ANY problem.
But I do believe in people.
Oh, I don't. People, individually, are pretty decent, but collectively, they get manipulated by the worst agenda-driven members.
I'd like a meritocracy of some sort. I think that independence for all is a fantasy, and without some sort of collective defense, we end up in a bullyocracy.
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What kicked off the GAO intervention was a certain congressman George Miller, who got very suspicious of these places and decided to start hitting them after hours without calling ahead - and prettymuch got the shock of his entire jaded life, which turned it personal for him. I don't count on them to DO anything mind you, but if they wind up setting any kind of standards and limits on what these places cannot legally do to those under their care we can document endless violations (cause we know damn well they're not gonna change how they work, only try to hide it better) and cause all manner of trouble for them on that end.
I don't know if you've been a resident of any care facility, but ones with complete legitimacy are little more than torture rooms at times, and can do a lot of personal damage. In the psych wards, things far less than admitting that you had even watch Elvenlied is enough to move you to permanent care.
The official places are all kind of regulated. I only worry that more govt. regulation could prevent the establishment of an independent education system which is desparately needed.
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Turning one element of the system against another, back on itself like Ouroborous the serpent, swallowing it's own tail, is one of my best tactics when going up against such bad odds - and it's not that hard to do.
I watch these guys who cloak one piece of legislation under another, and feed grass roots movements to get their aims in the powers that be.
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As I see it, public education is the more major threat.
Not gonna debate that a bit, but that's a battle you can fight in the open without the need for smoke & mirrors, deniability and such.
At least for now...
http://www.schoolandstate.org/roadtofreedom.htm
I'm fairly certain that the *power* which started the creationist movement was the public school system, which wanted to make private education look ridiculous. The lunatic who started it was undoubtedly real, but there are lunatics out there to start anything.
I agree that the best way to do anything is under the light of day. IMHO, child labor laws have been exploited to prevent any school from being self sufficient. Sure, there were child sweatshops once, but kids, particularly older kids, could cooperatively pay for the cost of education, if it were legal for them to do so. Starting a private school system in this country is like starting a passenger rail system. It would be easy, and an automatic hit, if it weren't for tptb.
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I'm not sure which programming you are referring to? The public schools are a hell hole, and their programming is so very counter to human instinct.
Both, public schools employ a form of social engineering that is extremely counter to natural human instincts and I feel that this is the root cause of most of the aberrant behavior they wind up endlessly whining about as the two sets of radically different imperatives clash within the minds of children causing all manner of psychological issues which manifest in as many ways as there are human beings.
Both public school and nuclear family are key elements of Lucy's intial destruction, and then of course, the govt. run permanent care.
But you're right of course. Specifically which imperatives?
I've watched other self destruct as they switch gears towards striving for popularity over striving towards learning. When they hit puberty, the former tak
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How to not piss us off ?
First a few things cribbed from Shelby's list of "warning signs", which are a decent general guideline for parents - but we have a different standard and ROE, having a different interest.
- The facility requires that the parents and/or child sign a form releasing the program of liability in the event of injury to the child.
Debateable, as kids are kids and scratch-n-dent is always a possibility, but a red flag all the same.
- The child or parent or forbidden from discussing the daily happenings at the facility. Often this policy is called "confidentiality."
BIG red flag, barring discussion of specifics for privacy is one thing, but the general course of daily events should be as open to discussion.
- Phone calls between children and parents are monitored.
BLACK flag, and will result in an immediate recon sweep at the first opportunity, especially if the contents are recorded.
Yes, sometimes the parents are part of the problem, but that should be immediately evident in any treatment regimine worth a damn and thus there is no need for this unless due to incompetence or nefarious purpose.
- The program uses confrontational therapy.
Red flag, not only does it smack of incompetence, it tends to lead down the garden path to worse, as a general rule.
- Children are restrained or otherwise physically prevented from leaving the facility.
BLACK flag, and will result in recon sweep and minimal disruption designed to bring public attention, especially if the restraint/isolation is prolonged for no explicable theraputic reason.
- The staff includes former students/clients of the facility.
Red flag, but very mild, we were in fact proven wrong (I lost a bet with a couple dudes at BACA over it) about Cal Farley's Boys Ranch during the FLDS fiasco, but it is sometimes a precursor to cult like behavior and thus merits some attention to make sure.
- Staff members claim that self-injury or cutting/carving on ones body is normal behavior for a child in treatment.
BLACK flag, and will draw a recon sweep, especially if the child in question has no history of being a cutter.
- Parents are not allowed to remain with their child during the entire intake/entry process.
Red flag, but a small one, however if we find out that the parents were seperated for the express purpose of throwing the kid to the wolves for a prison yard style pecking order placement, expect trouble and lots of it, right quick like.
- The program inflicts physical punishments on children such as exercising for extended periods of time, bizarre cleaning rituals (ie scrubbing floors with a toothbrush) or food restrictions.
Red flag, but of itself not enough to draw the wrath upon them.
- The program uses humiliation to "break them down."
BLACK flag, resulting in immediate recon sweep with team on standby for followup action intended to draw immediate press involvement.
- The program forces children to remain in solitary confinement/isolation/time-out for an unspecified amount of time.
Red flag, but circumstantial, extended isolation without theraputic purpose or soley punitive in nature will draw the wrath however.
- Reading materials are prohibited or severely limited.
Red flag, small, usually due to budget constraints or plain stupidity, however if offers to rectify the lack are rejected, will draw attention.
- The facility does not have a clearly visible sign outside the building or descriptions of their location are vague.
Red flag, small, often due to incompetence or stupidity, but of itself not a great concern.
- Current clients/students participate in the intake/entry process.
Red flag, due to possible gangland style or prison pecking order entry hazing, which will draw our attention and ire quickly.
- Staff members offer to help parents obtain a court order forcing the child into, or keeping the child in, the facility.
(Subset A - Re: Rick Strawn/Teen Transport LLC)
BLACK flag, will draw recon sweep and followup team immediately.
Subset A - Any involvem
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