Hey, we want to be part of the hate!
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UPDATED: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 02:14
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Actually, most of my grade education came from books, and I was usually well ahead of the curriculum at any time - eventually that came down to a big blowup during so-called "History" class regarding the existence and beliefs of the Anti-Federalists, given that our curriculum espoused the Federalist Papers as mere explaination to us peons of what our betters were doing, and glossed completely over even the existance of the Anti-Federalists, much less their arguments.
As for the social environment, I despised it, the ONLY other place on earth you'll find that social dynamic is the penal system, right down to the administration keeping various cliques at each others throats to maintain the status quo.
Whatever it is that makes a person like other people, want to be around them, need their approval, I was either born without it, never developed it, or simply burned it out in my dislike and distrust of the people I was forced to associate with on a daily basis, all of whom despised me (and not all without cause since I was an arrogant little prick) and would regularly try to rough me up till it became clear that short of beating me fully unconscious, which would take a while and leave more than one of em on the floor with me, it was literally impossible to stop me from pounding YOU senseless once you'd struck that first blow - I might be pathetically puny, but most bullies have never felt real pain in their lives, and when it starts to get past mere black eyes and bloody noses, lose their stomach for the fight pretty quick, obviously.
This did not endear me to the other outcasts, since one I got left alone they got the idea that they were then taking my share of the abuse too and avoided me like the plague - so for the next eight years or so I was left so completely alone that my world was almost devoid of human contact given my home situation.
While I do have empathy for other people on an intellectual level, it's NOT instinctive and I've very little ability to bond in that fashion, at least with humans - I do get on better with animals, at a level that creepifies some folk, but humans I can do without, for the most part.
Ergo, I rather intensely hated public school, and they damn well knew it - the only thing keeping me there was both the law, and the need for that stupid bit of paper to secure work enough to put food on the table which didn't involve crime.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Two additional background articles which are worth a read relating to this.
The Trouble with Troubled Teen Programs
http://www.reason.com/news/show/117088.html
Tough Love and Free Speech
http://www.reason.com/news/show/122156.html
Scheff is a genuine wackjob, btw - I am picky about who I'll work with, even at arms length, and as far as active cooperation goes, the only folk who get that are Jordan Riak and Shelby Earnshaw.
(if you ain't been sued or shot at, you ain't done enough damage!)
-F
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Just a quick post.
As I said before, what we tell ourselves about ourselves is vital but almost completely unexamined either individually or on a societal level.
I just read a short summary of a study where people had trivial but fictitious events subtly implanted in their memories - they were told that when they were children they had gotten terribly sick on a particular food. When their food preferences were checked they had a greater than normal aversion to that food at the time they were told that story, as well as three months later when they were retested.
SignyM posted about children following a bogus set of instructions even after the mechanisms of the plastic box were exposed, whereas chimps ditched the bogus actions and only did what worked.
Our words that we tell ourselves are important.
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Silence is consent.
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Thanks for the list
These are just some things that I picked out that would flag every university or hospital in America.
If there's a more specific definition, clarification would be handy.
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- The facility requires that the parents and/or child sign a form releasing the program of liability in the event of injury to the child.
I think this one might be a legal necessity
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- The staff includes former students/clients of the facility.
Also potentially a sign of a good program, you just boasted your own program contained workers who were kids that you had freed. If you view yourself as a rehabilitation program that rehabs from rehabs, then every one you rescue is a client of yours. Those clients, many you said, have become workers. Just pointing out that you just redflagged yourself :) is all
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- Current clients/students participate in the intake/entry process.
This is another that I need clarification on. I think every school or program that actually doesn't suck is full of people who are there because someone else said "I tried this and it was great." Maybe even your program. Firefly fans exist because of this phenomenon. So, if there's something more specific that you meant...
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- The facility does not allow children to follow their religion of choice.
Sorry, this seems extreme. If your school is called St. Mary's catholic academy, then I suspect it's going to select religiously.
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- Staff members must "approve" family members, siblings, friends, or employment.
employment? who is employed? the kids? this seems illogical. What would be the circumstances.
Other than that, most of this is pretty straightforward, obvious abuse, but thanks a lot for the list.
Couple comments: What kind of moron chooses Costa Rica as his getaway country? I mean, Costa Rica is probably the only first world country in latin america outside of mexico. I mean, all other issues aside, that's just idiocy. That's like sneaking off to canada to avoid prosecution :)
Sorry, I just had to chuckle at that.
The other is that separating kids from the influences of the network, and MSM, general contamination of the NWO programming that makes the unithought bots we run into is just, imho, part of a good educational program. That's going to involve some restriction (no tv) but you'll never have complete restriction, no internet.
Also, I was assuming that membership was always voluntary outside of the nuthouse, like I was in, but for rehab or education, I guess color me naive again.
As for FLDS, I think they're weird, no intention of joining, but I'd defend their right to have their own society. They're an old established faith of the kind this nation was set up to support, and watching the Feds treat a population of 50,000 as if they're automatically a criminal element just turns my stomach, esp. after what happened at Waco.
Every society, imho, and every nation, should have one rule, and this would solve most of the world's problems: Freedom to leave. This would put an end to all objective abuse. The idea of abuse is sometimes subjective, like when we look, from a western standpoint, at women in the Islamic world. Islamic women otoh, see it differently. If all the doors were open, probably every woman and girl would leave saudi arabia. But I don't see a lot fleeing Iran, or palestine, any more than any male palestinian is fleeing palestine. Someone, okay, I know who, but I don't want the interjected response, posted something about polygamy case in germany allowing muslim men multiple wives. It was one case, a displaced Iraqi family, that fled to Germany, and the German govt. told the second wife she had to divorce her husband. She brought the suit against the govt. of Germany, and she won. But it was a singular exception. You see how things can get twisted out of shape from a foreign perspective, and filter.
Freedom to leave. All societies, institutions, and nations. Even prisons, if to leave was to go to some penal colony labor ca
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Well, as I stated, some of that can go either way, and even drawing a recon doesn't mean they'd face the wrath, just that we see enough to want to make sure there's nothing untowards going on.
Mostly the red flags are stuff that'll make us go "hmmm" and pay a little more attention, black flags are stuff that needs some on-site lookover.
The religion aspect is worth an on-site look, given that I was once forced to go to a Catholic School against my wishes and I am most certainly NOT Catholic - having a religion you despise rammed down your throat by force and threat doesn't exactly predispose one to liking it so much, and doing so to the unwilling is something we'll take rather seriously.
And yes, Narvin's an idiot, his brother Robert got all the brains, but that just makes Narvin the weakest link and thus easier to screw with.
And yes, freedom to leave is the most important part.
-F
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so-called "History" class regarding the existence and beliefs of the Anti-Federalists
Education is a sham, it's programming, hence the need for an alternative.
Interesting side note. The Anti-Federalists were originally the Confederates. The name took on such a positive connotation, that the opposition which had been called something else, renamed itself "Federalists" and then launched a negative campaign to rename the Confederates, the "Anti-Federalists," banking on human response to negativity, which worked. This history was not lost of the southern secessionists, who had as one of their items to re-establish a loose alliance of limited govt. according to the articles of confederacy, 1781, the precursor to the constitution, 1789, but you know that already. Of course, they also had other issues, not just slavery, but war with mexico, with which I would take issue. Still, it's an interesting what could have been.
The Federalists were manipulative bastards much like the neocons of today, and they desperately fought to strike the Bill of Rights from the constitution.
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As for the social environment, I despised it, the ONLY other place on earth you'll find that social dynamic is the penal system, right down to the administration keeping various cliques at each others throats to maintain the status quo.
I love this conspiracy theory. You're probably right: public school probably subversively promotes clique wars among the students, it's just like our govt. It makes perfect sense. Its the perfect form of control, to prevent the inmates, err. students, from revolting against the establishment. If the geeks are at war with the jocks, then they're not combining forces against the administration, which is what is really making them unhappy. My dark side is wondering how I can exploit this to undermine the system ;)
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Whatever it is that makes a person like other people, want to be around them, need their approval, I was either born without it, never developed it, or simply burned it out
It's a skill set. There are characteristics that make you predisposed to generate reactions from people, but that's somewhat immutable. Aside from advanced chemistry. Mostly, it's learned. This is something I had trouble with, having no education. I think that I evolved into an extemely gregarious person, and have no trouble making friends, etc. My problem is currently motivating people. I'm working on communication theory for that reason and others. I was always the big kid, I didn't have to worry about that, but then I wasn't in school.
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This did not endear me to the other outcasts, since one I got left alone they got the idea that they were then taking my share of the abuse too and avoided me like the plague - so for the next eight years or so I was left so completely alone that my world was almost devoid of human contact given my home situation.
Well, that's an experience I don't regret missing. I have no idea what it would have been like. I had some bullies that tried to put me down, but I was very athletic, and that would have been bound to put me in the prep set.
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While I do have empathy for other people on an intellectual level, it's NOT instinctive and I've very little ability to bond in that fashion, at least with humans - I do get on better with animals, at a level that creepifies some folk, but humans I can do without, for the most part.
I'm similarly distant. I think that I get along very well, and don't get attached easily, personal history reasons.
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Ergo, I rather intensely hated public school, and they damn well knew it - the only thing keeping me there was both the law, and the need for that stupid bit of paper to secure work enough to put food on the table which didn't involve crime.
So you have no problem with my taking a bite out of it as an instution. My probablem with it is that it seems to create this mindlessness, I don't find in people who weren't in it, and didn't find in 5th grade, not so muc
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I've already been shot at. I'll take a look at the sites "tough love" is a james dobson concept, i know it *shudder*.
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