Where the crew stands on a couple of things post-BDM

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RALLEM

Sunday, January 4, 2009 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Yeah, I could see that. Neither strike me as the "lovey dovey forever" marriage type. On again and off again more like, depending on whatever it is they're currently fighting about. Always as bewildering and frustrating as it was on day one, and yet, they work together and get along well when they want to. Some margin of understanding, but never complete understanding.

I agree with you here Bytemite but if the two were to have a child together I also think they would be strong enough to compromise on their beliefs and happiness for the betterment of that child. Isn’t that what marriage is all about? First you fight for the stupid stuff and then for the important stuff only to compromise on everything.

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UNDAFIYA

Monday, January 5, 2009 3:07 AM

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I agree with you here Bytemite but if the two were to have a child together I also think they would be strong enough to compromise on their beliefs and happiness for the betterment of that child. Isn’t that what marriage is all about? First you fight for the stupid stuff and then for the important stuff only to compromise on everything.

With the said on-off relationship and only a margin of understanding between each other, i don't think they would ever even reach the point where having a child is something thinkable though.

KWICKO

Monday, January 5, 2009 3:13 AM

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The broadcast does make things extremely difficult for Serenity, they have to occupy themselves some other way for awhile before things get a little better. But eventually, they're able to get back on track. (and the Alliance tries to play the video off as a phony as Kwicko suggested)

A quick and easy solution - relatively, anyway - would be to simply not be in Serenity for a few years. Repaint the ship, rename it, and pick up a few less-than-legal transponders for it. We know that Wash was able to at least clone the transponder, since he more than once sent out Cry-Babies with bogus transponders in them (SEVEN of them in one shot in the movie).

So Serenity would be a different ship, and the crew could likely also be different people - at least for a time. I'm sure Inara wouldn't mind being known as Saffron. ;)

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

UNDAFIYA

Monday, January 5, 2009 3:27 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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The broadcast does make things extremely difficult for Serenity, they have to occupy themselves some other way for awhile before things get a little better. But eventually, they're able to get back on track. (and the Alliance tries to play the video off as a phony as Kwicko suggested)

A quick and easy solution - relatively, anyway - would be to simply not be in Serenity for a few years. Repaint the ship, rename it, and pick up a few less-than-legal transponders for it. We know that Wash was able to at least clone the transponder, since he more than once sent out Cry-Babies with bogus transponders in them (SEVEN of them in one shot in the movie).

So Serenity would be a different ship, and the crew could likely also be different people - at least for a time. I'm sure Inara wouldn't mind being known as Saffron. ;)

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

That would all work well, but there is one big problem left that they can't change about their identities; their faces. They might run the risk of people still being able to recognize them despite changed names.

KWICKO

Monday, January 5, 2009 5:50 AM

Well, their regular faces would be handy if there are still any of their old contacts left alive, as it would make them easier to deal with, as they already know Mal and crew, but wouldn't recognize their new names or their ship.

And other than that, the only people who would be likely to recognize them would be fairly high up in the Alliance heirarchy, because they'd be privy to the information about The Signal and Miranda and all of that mess - and those people would be few and far between, I'd bet. Like was said earlier, I don't think the Alliance is really calling off the hunt for them, but neither are they ramping up the search with wanted posters (or waves, if you will) spread all over the 'verse. They WANT to find them, but they can't really push it too hard, lest people start giving credence to WHY they want them, and start asking hard questions.

If there are still any of their old contacts around who will deal with them - and amongst outlaws, there are ALWAYS those who will take the risk if the price is right - they'll be comforted by faces they recognize, even if everything else says they're not who they are.

In other words, a crew that was already on the raggedy edge and living under the radar now has to go even further under the radar. This could have some positive implications, too; since the Alliance can't look too hard for them, many of the regular old Alliance folk won't even know they're wanted for anything, and won't take notice of them at all. That leaves the crew more free to do jobs closer to the core planets. :)

'Course, the Alliance might have other ideas. They might put out APBs and wanted notices on them anyway, and just invent some slew of bogus charges to get folks to look for them...

Mike

"It is complete now; the hands of time are neatly tied."

MOONDOG

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 5:18 AM

IMHO, Blue Sun invested a lot of time and money in River and I think they would want to get some of that investment back. While the Parliment was discredited, there was nothing to indicate Blue Sun's involvment (They were there, but covered their tracks, letting parliment take the heat). If they were cunning, they would help convince parliment that the Tams were, indeed, no further threat in order to get them to relax their vigelance. Maybe they would convince the elder Tams to call a reconciliation with their children, or maybe post bounty hunters on verious worlds in waiting for their inevitable slip up. It's an idea that could spawn many stories.

AGENTROUKA

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 7:50 AM

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Originally posted by moondog:
IMHO, Blue Sun invested a lot of time and money in River and I think they would want to get some of that investment back. While the Parliment was discredited, there was nothing to indicate Blue Sun's involvment (They were there, but covered their tracks, letting parliment take the heat). If they were cunning, they would help convince parliment that the Tams were, indeed, no further threat in order to get them to relax their vigelance. Maybe they would convince the elder Tams to call a reconciliation with their children, or maybe post bounty hunters on verious worlds in waiting for their inevitable slip up. It's an idea that could spawn many stories.

But it doesn't really make sense. Now that they can't rely on government rescources to do their work for them, and it's been shown that a single bounty hunter is NOT the solution, they would need to invest even more money to try and get River back. But by now River would be less of an asset and more of a liability. There is no kind of illusion anymore, no matter how small, that River might not be determined to get out of there first chance she gets - and would have help doing so.

By the time of the movie their concern, we have learned, is not about getting River back to use her, but to keep down any information she may carry. She wasn't the only one they trained there, after all. I think it would make greater financial and general sense to cut their losses and either ignore her, post-Miranda, or send someone to kill her, rather than bring her back. I can buy setting a trap to kill River more than I can buy them trying to get her back.

Thinking that getting her back would be extremely valuable to them is kind of colored by our own love for River, but it's not really realistic.

MOONDOG

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 8:22 AM

Well, I'm afraid I'll have to agree with your well presented point. Still, I can't see her being let off the hook--Like the operative said "they are not forgiving". If nothing else, she could be made an example of what happens to someone who brakes out of their appointed mold.

AGENTROUKA

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 8:39 AM

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Originally posted by moondog:
Well, I'm afraid I'll have to agree with your well presented point. Still, I can't see her being let off the hook--Like the operative said "they are not forgiving". If nothing else, she could be made an example of what happens to someone who brakes out of their appointed mold.

I'd love to see this play out over the background of a disintegrating partnership between Alliance and Blue Sun, maybe having internal investigations going on at high government level in the light of the Miranda scandal, Blue Sun wheeling to erase evidence, high up Alliance officials under investigation having "accidents" or disappearing with the help of Blue Sun. The underground group wo helped Simon might try to provide evidence against Blue Sun and try to involve Simon and River in some way to get them copies of the evidence to back up their story should it ever come to that..

And amid all this Blue Sun might use the other "subjects" to do their clean-up work, since the government won't likely accept their use anymore. It'd be quite heart-breaking so see kids like River killing the people who tried to save them, PLUS they would actually be River's match, and even while threatened with death she would be in quite the moral dilemma to kill someone who went through all that she did.

And it'd be morbidly fun to see the kind of complex strategies another subject might come up with to trap River - and in the end, it may not be River's skills that save the day, but the same thing that saved her: human kindness. Seeing their own suffering reflected in River's mind would HAVE to have an effect on another Reader-weapon, right?

Hmm!

MOONDOG

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 6:48 PM

I wonder, how many "students" did the Academy have? It couldn't have been more than two score at most, given the apparent criteria. Then there is the question of how many would be ready to deploy, given the elapsed time (8 months)between her rescue and the events of the BDM.
When being "inspected", Dr. Mathias said that River was his star pupil, so anyone they sent would be inferior in some aspect or other. I see your point about the alliance not wanting to accept the use of those "Weapons" but, I don't agree. They would need them even more than ever, considering the political situation they would be in. In either case, there would be the potential for some embarassing problems, especially if there is no direct line of communication between the two. One idea is what would happen if a "Student" tried to hit an Operative. Hummmm, that is fun to contemplate. I also wonder if any of River's "Classmates" would turn their coats, or go rogue when not under close control. I believe that the potential is there.

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