Where the crew stands on a couple of things post-BDM
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Well, we know New Kashmir was about ten years before the start of firefly, and we also know Reavers appeared about ten years ago, and that Miranda happened about ten years ago.
So yeah, kinda spooky... But we don't know when the war started exactly, there could have been other campaigns in the years prior. Government mistakes are easily covered up by the process of war, too. It could be either way, declaration or actual war fighting being the distraction. But I like the way you think here!
It all seems to be happening in 2506, eh? Cursed year. In the movie, Zoe guesses that the Miranda "terraforming failure" was right before the war. Mal guesses the scientist's message to be 12 years old, all point to 2506, like you say. New Kasmir must have happened a little later than that.
So I guess the Blue Sun helping the start of the war along may be a bit of a stretch, as it seems to have been coming along fast, anyway. Didn't hurt them, though, in terms of distractions. Anyway, it's likely that the same school of thought who cooked up Miranda would be part of the no doubt sizable "Yay Unification war!" section. More planets to purify. Ugh.[QUOTE/]
Anyone remember their history of the Spanish American War? "Remember the Maine, to Hell with Spain" and "Mr. Hearst's war"? It was the product of a "convenient" explosion that sank the Maine in Havana harbor and Hearst's yellow journalism that sparked "war fever" He is also supposed to have remarked to artist Frederick Reminington "You supply the pictures and I'll supply the war."
It seem that Blue Sun would and could do something along those lines to hide the disaster of Miranda.Quote:
GOD, I wish they had had the time to create a flashback episode that deals with the crew during the war, giving us a ton of perspectives. Five-year-old River and maybe 12-year-old Simon we have seen, but barely-adult Wash contrasted with Zoe would be amazing, because of how vastly different their lives were. I bet Wash grew up semi-neutrally pro-Alliance.
Similarly 17-year-old Inara and 20-year-old Mal. Pro-Unification propaganda blasting from one cortex screen, anti-Unification propaganda from another. (No matter whose cause is right, there is always propaganda, right?) One goes off to war, another sees young soldiers off from the midst of tense Coreworld politics. And oh, the mystery of Book. Gah!
I can see an young Mal all fired up to protect his home. And the almost Registered Companion dancing with Alliance officers at farewell balls. (I must stop channeling the first chapters of "Gone with the Wind.")
And I don't recall anyone exploring young Wash. Please get out your pens (or keyboards).
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Originally posted by moondog:
I bow to your flawless logic.
I didn't mean to come off as a know-it-all..
These are obviously just personal guesses.
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Ah, but the path you have envisioned does appear to be more logical than mine. even though there are many other possable paths the events might take and each of them could spawn several stories.
Rest asuerd that I was not being jelous or sarcastic--just acknowledging a well thought vision.
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Originally posted by ncbrowncoat:
Anyone remember their history of the Spanish American War? "Remember the Maine, to Hell with Spain" and "Mr. Hearst's war"? It was the product of a "convenient" explosion that sank the Maine in Havana harbor and Hearst's yellow journalism that sparked "war fever" He is also supposed to have remarked to artist Frederick Reminington "You supply the pictures and I'll supply the war."
It seem that Blue Sun would and could do something along those lines to hide the disaster of Miranda.
Good comparison, then. I bet there had been a lot of Anti-Rim sentiment building in Core society for years. I'm picturing documentaries and news reports, depicting living conditions of the poor, oppression of women, illegal disruption of trade with Alliance companies, maybe undemocratic systems in certain places...
For all we know there were some corrupt Independent governments that beautifully lended themselves as oppressive dictators whose planets need to be liberated. I bet many Alliance soldiers going off to war felt passionate about doing a good thing for the civilian populations of the Independent planets.
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I can see an young Mal all fired up to protect his home.
I like the idea that his Ma wasn't happy with him going and him trying to make her see reason with the same level of frustration that he gets with Wash in "War Stories" about Zoe, hehe. I bet he had a somewhat romanticised view of war. Mal is just so full of himself, I doubt he gave much thought to the possibility of being horrified.
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And the almost Registered Companion dancing with Alliance officers at farewell balls.
Or just worrying about her friends, yes. I bet she had some friends and acquaintences who had chosen a military career around that time. I bet some Companions had brothers going off to fight. Maybe some young men they once met shopping at "Incense'R'Us" are going off, as well. I can see a huddle of young almost-Companions watching the big Cortex screen in the House Madrassa rec room and looking glum.
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(I must stop channeling the first chapters of "Gone with the Wind.")
Bwah!
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Moondog -
Whew, I'm relieved. I CAN get a little carried away, so criticism is usually justified and makes me feel rightfully embarrassed.
I'm glad that my idea makes sense to you! :)
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AgentRouka--
I still mull Andropov's question over,though--It's deeper than one would imagine a "true believer" high party functionary would ask, even on his death bed. I wonder what history would have been like if he and Alexi Kosegin had lived and so Lenoid Brezhnev had not come to power. On so many small things does history hinge (Don't get me started, I have studied history for the past 50 years and my speciality is obscure turning points).
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And it'd be morbidly fun to see the kind of complex strategies another subject might come up with to trap River
Assuming that they were both sane, you would have a duel between two superhumanly cunning and guileful antagonists. That should be interesting - if we could understand what was going on.
It would not be at all easy to write, though.
Perhaps more worryingly, you risk turning other characters into chess pieces for the important people to manipulate, as in OiS.
I think it would be better to keep River not-too-stable for a while, and only gradualy have her become more stable and formidable.
Then the important question would become "What does River want, and what does everyone else do about it?"
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i've always wondered about the blue handed
(f*x executives) i mean,the blue sun assasins...
they were too violent and cruel to not have a story line post BDM...
AGENT MCGINNIS
Not that it will mean much.
(sits)
The men were tight lipped, the girl
was just spewing gibberish. We got
it all down.
BLUE GLOVE #1
(looks concerned)
You spoke to the prisoners?
AGENT MCGINNIS
Well, yeah. Had to process 'em.
There was no interrogation, if
that's what you mean.
(BLUE GLOVE #2 comes forward)
Didn't do your job for you.
BLUE GLOVE #2
Did your men also speak with them?
He is holding something that looks like a pen, but elongates with a snap to reveal an ominous glowing blue cylinder that extends from either side of his fist. A high-pitched hum emanates from it.
AGENT MCGINNIS
As much as they had to.
AGENT MCGINNIS looks uncomfortable. He brings a hand to his nose, which is dripping a small amount of blood. The BLUE GLOVES are smiling genially. AGENT MCGINNIS starts choking and gagging. The cuticles on his fingernails are leaking blood. Blood pours from his, nose, eyes, mouth - he is in acute distress.
Is he gonna survive the supersonic boomstick? Not so much, we're thinking.
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In Serenity Inara isn´t whore, she is a teacher.
If she stay with Mal (in the ship), she will have no clients.
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Hmm, since this was brought up...
I'd like to correct myself on the New Kashmir time being ten years ago. That was something I read on Fireflywiki. I've heard people say since that in one of the companion books, the war was stated to only have lasted about 2.5 years.
So... not completely sure, since I don't have one of them to confirm it.
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