The Assault Weapons Ban
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Friday, December 5, 2008 17:22
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Because you're trying to fix a bad behavior by removing on object that is occasionally used in that bad behavior. You take away the pbject, your not only punishing the few folks who actually used the banned object in the bad behavior, but you're failing to solve the deeper behavioral problem. It's like banning all the crayons at a school 'cause a couple of kids drew weiners on the classroom wall.
I agree that we have a big problem with violent crime in our society. and that problem needs to be addressed. We need to fix whatever social, economic, or whatever other problems we have that drive people to commit violent crime. But we have to do it in a way that will not take away the ability of law-abiding folks to defend themselves against these crimes.
Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.
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Lemme refine that argument for ya just a little bit there AG...
It's treating tuberculosis with nyquil, addressing the symptom instead of the root cause.
There now, ain't that a lil simpler ?
-F
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Maybe, but I don't see the presence of assault weapons as a symptom. The symptom is the crime, and the cause is the poverty/drugs/whatever else. The gun is just the most visible part of it.
It's like treating herpes by putting makeup over the sores.
Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.
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"Because you're trying to fix a bad behavior by removing on object that is occasionally used in that bad behavior."
Well, let's see --- which is more tolerable - bad behavior swinging a screwdriver around or bad behavior swinging an assault weapon around ? See the difference ? I truly hope so.
But - and this is just a hypothetical - what if the culture is as violent as it is BECAUSE of its relationship with guns ? Because of OUR relationship with guns. As an observation, it looks like a most of people here emotionally identify with their guns. That's certainly not a healthy either for individuals or for a society. And it may be the cause of the problem.
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Hello,
I think that any artist, craftsman, or practitioner tends to develop an affinity for their tools.
You will often hear a chef talk about the finest knives, apparatus, or ingredients.
A woodcarver tends to have a strong opinion about his chisels and carving knives.
I remember in my video gaming heydey, I developed a particular affinity for a particular Logitech trackball. I've never found one quite as good as that particular model. I still remember it fondly.
Some car enthusiasts fall in love with particular makes and models, or even a particular individual car.
Someone who shoots regularly is bound to develop an affinity for their tools, the guns.
I don't think this is symptomatic of anything in particular, beyond human nature.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Again Rue, "Assault Weapons" are an illicit item for the regular citizen. They are considered a destructive device that a very, very small number of people in the US are capable of owning. Those who do are under the watchful eye of numerous government agencies for the rest of their natural lives.
I'm not worried because of the lack of true definition offered within this public forum. My sporting arms are safe as long as people educate themselves on the true nature of the item.
I'm worried because that same misdefined term is being thrown around as the new catch phrase all over again. If the statement made earlier was true, that minimal crimes are being committed with "Assault Weapons", than why worry about a ban on them seeing as they are used in less than one percent of violent crimes in the US.
Here is a link to the American Firearms Institute. At the bottom of the page there is a list of very helpful links to various government agencies including state laws and studies.
http://www.americanfirearms.org/laws.php
Wondering: Is your culture murderous? I don't see that in the people I am around.I don't even see that in popular culture. Portyals of murder in the media are mostly fiction, works of fantasy. Aside from news and true crime shows that is the goal, fantasy. Fantasy does not permit us to live in that manner. We decide for ourselves.
So what are your observations on this murderous culture we live in?
ADD: I just caught your last post. If you look at the relationship between laws and weapons, there have always been restrictions on the weapons we carry or posess. Check out the laws of blade and gun alike.
And regardless if the weapon is a screwdriver or an "Assault Weapon", neither is an acceptable choice. It is beligerant behavior and is unacceptable in any culture. Hurting people is hurting people. Bottom line.
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AnthonyT
If guns were somethng that people used everyday as necessary tools, it would make sense that they develop a keen appreciation for them. But, with few exceptions (law enforcement, military) they're not.
What I read is peoplpe see them as symbols of independence, self-reliance, and even self-importance. It's a reworking of a frontier myth (which never existed in the form people assume it did) into some kind of personal mantra.
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"Wondering: Is your culture murderous?"
Yes
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-cap
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#1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa: 0.496008
#3 Jamaica: 0.324196
#4 Venezuela: 0.316138
#5 Russia: 0.201534
#6 Mexico: 0.130213
#7 Estonia: 0.107277
#8 Latvia: 0.10393
#9 Lithuania: 0.102863
#10 Belarus: 0.0983495
#11 Ukraine: 0.094006
#12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593
#13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565
#14 Thailand: 0.0800798
#15 Moldova: 0.0781145
#16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938
#17 Seychelles: 0.0739025
#18 Zambia: 0.070769
#19 Costa Rica: 0.061006
#20 Poland: 0.0562789
#21 Georgia: 0.0511011
#22 Uruguay: 0.045082
#23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638
#24 United States: 0.042802
#25 Armenia: 0.0425746
#26 India: 0.0344083
#27 Yemen: 0.0336276
#28 Dominica: 0.0289733
#29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642
#30 Finland: 0.0283362
#31 Slovakia: 0.0263303
#32 Romania: 0.0250784
#33 Portugal: 0.0233769
#34 Malaysia: 0.0230034
#35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829
#36 Mauritius: 0.021121
#37 Hungary: 0.0204857
#38 Korea, South: 0.0196336
#39 Slovenia: 0.0179015
#40 France: 0.0173272
#41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905
#42 Iceland: 0.0168499
#43 Australia: 0.0150324
#44 Canada: 0.0149063
#45 Chile: 0.014705
#46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633
#47 Italy: 0.0128393
#48 Spain: 0.0122456
#49 Germany: 0.0116461
#50 Tunisia: 0.0112159
#51 Netherlands: 0.0111538
#52 New Zealand: 0.0111524
#53 Denmark: 0.0106775
#54 Norway: 0.0106684
#55 Ireland: 0.00946215
#56 Switzerland: 0.00921351
#57 Indonesia: 0.00910842
#58 Greece: 0.0075928
#59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804
#60 Japan: 0.00499933
#61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada
Only one third of Canadian murders involve firearms. Most Canadian weapons are rifles or shotguns owned by rural property owners, hunters and target shooters, and are less likely to be used in crimes. Many types of weapons are banned or restricted in Canada.
Gun ownership rate is about 27% of households with great regional variations ...
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I asked about you culture, not the country as a whole. What is the murder rate where you live? Do you see concrete proof of those numbers for yourself? Have you experienced anything to state those numbers are true for your family?
Culture?
City?
County?
State?
How well are you connected to people locally?
Like charity, awareness starts at home. Facts and figures mean crap unless the numbers are closer tou your home.
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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
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