The Assault Weapons Ban
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Friday, December 5, 2008 17:22
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Originally posted by nvghostrider:
Funny. I keep hearing the whole thing about size compensation and phallic symbols but those arguments seem to be coming from people without a phallus or possibly who have "size" issues of their own.
Also funny, my AR15 (which stands for Armalite, the company that made the weapon, not "Assault Rifle") uses a .224 caliber bullet. It is one of the smallest calibers used for modern centerfire rifles. Other common small calibers are .17 (as big as a bb/pellet from most pellet guns)and .20. How much smaller do you want the gun to be. I think making guns bigger is more logical. It is much harder to conceal hunting rifle than it is to conceal a handgun. Centerfire handguns take larger caliber bullets than many rifles. They are just shorter with a slower burning powder.
Yup and yup. I guess I must be conflicted about my size envy or shortcomings - I like guns, but I drive a very small car. Could it be that overall I'm pretty happy with my size (I'm 6'8", 250 lbs, size 16 shoes, if that helps), and can't for the life of me understand why companies like "Extenze" stay in business, unless it's off of preying on peoples' insecurities in that area.
But for the record, Storymark, please explain to us what downsizing you'd like to see in our guns. An "assault weapon" is already, by definition, shorter than a regular hunting rifle or a main battle rifle. It's smaller by design, for use in close-quarters combat, such as door-to-door situations. So you want us to use something SMALLER, something EASIER to carry and conceal, something EASIER to carry a whole shitload of ammo for? Is that what you're looking for?
What about something like this?
It's smaller than a typical assault rifle, both in overall size and in cartridge and bullet size. Would something like that make you happy? 'Cuz I'd sure like one, but at around $1800, they ain't cheap. The "bullpup" design is growing on me, though - it keeps the 20" barrel of a longer weapon (and its accuracy), but puts it all in a much shorter package for clearing rooms and doorways quickly.
So when you say you want to downsize our fun, what is it that you mean, exactly?
Mike
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"Rue- Those people are criminals who will have weapons regardless if I have mine or not. The differance is they are less reluctant to enter a home of most people because THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING SHOT."
They let their bullets do the entering while they stay in their cars.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
But for the record, Storymark, please explain to us what downsizing you'd like to see in our guns. An "assault weapon" is already, by definition, shorter than a regular hunting rifle or a main battle rifle. It's smaller by design, for use in close-quarters combat, such as door-to-door situations. So you want us to use something SMALLER, something EASIER to carry and conceal, something EASIER to carry a whole shitload of ammo for? Is that what you're looking for?
Jesus, I've said 3 times I meant handguns. Do you people read?
I know a lot of guys with AR's. And the first thing they all want to do is convert it to full-auto.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
But for the record, Storymark, please explain to us what downsizing you'd like to see in our guns. An "assault weapon" is already, by definition, shorter than a regular hunting rifle or a main battle rifle. It's smaller by design, for use in close-quarters combat, such as door-to-door situations. So you want us to use something SMALLER, something EASIER to carry and conceal, something EASIER to carry a whole shitload of ammo for? Is that what you're looking for?
Jesus, I've said 3 times I meant handguns. Do you people read?
I know a lot of guys with AR's. And the first thing they all want to do is convert it to full-auto.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
Sorry, cross-posted with your last response.
Okay, so you're fine with handguns. Okay, then. So I can legally get a 30- or 45-round magazine for my Ruger; is that cool with you, since it's still only a handgun and not an assault weapon?
Seriously, I'm just trying to see how much thought you've put into this issue, or if you're just regurgitating talking points from the left. And hey, I'm a leftist (except when it comes to firearms), so I tend to recognize the talking points...
Personally, I don't see the NEED for 250-mph street-legal cars, but they make 'em and sell 'em (and a guy in Texas even got a 242mph speeding ticket in one!). And I don't see the NEED for 96-inch plasma TVs, 4-core Intel computers, or the 64-ounce Super Big Gulp, but such things exist, legally, whether I like them or not. And some of them kill people. Shouldn't they be outlawed, or at the very least downsized? I'm not saying ban Cokes or anything, but let's put a size limit on them, eh? And if you can't outright ban the automobile, let's put speed limiters on them that won't let them go over 80mph (the highest posted speed limit in the nation), and that will turn you in if you try to go faster than that or try to tamper with the limiter in any way.
Sound fair? Is that the nation we want to be?
Mike
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I know a lot of guys with AR's. And the first thing they all want to do is convert it to full-auto.
Then you know a lot of guys who are idiots and who, if they do convert them without the proper tax stamps, Class III licenses and paperwork (which they can't get), are also federal felons. Why aren't you turning them in?
You CAN legally own a fully-automatic machine gun, or even a silenced handgun or sawed-off shotgun in this country, but you have to pony up cash for the right tax stamp and file the appropriate paperwork, and even then you can't MAKE a new machine gun; you can only buy one that already existed prior to 1968. Them's the federal regs, baby. Thank Tricky Dick Nixon for that particular law.
Mike
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a weapon like that might be more usefull, but so would a tank. Why shouldn't they be street-legal, too?
Cause they chew up the asphalt, causing needless damage to the street.
Wheeled APCs are street legal though, if you have a proper set of lights (headlamps, tail and brake, signals) and your emissions system meets state and local regulations.
Mikey, tell me that's not a Steyr AUG yer drooling over.. *twitch*, always hated them, too much recoil and not so accurate under field conditions.
Hmmm...
Well, if you're unconcerned about the Constitutional Rights of others...
Then do not be surprised if others don't give a rats ass about yours.
Me, I stand up for them even for my enemies, because those rights are UNIVERSAL or they're pointless.
But I can and will be disgusted by cowardly little milquetoast quislings who'll surrender everyone else's without a blink, but scream like a child throwing a tantrum if their own are endangered.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Hello,
Storymark, it sounds as though you want to keep handguns, because they are useful in self defense. But you don't care if rifles go away.
You also want to keep shotguns, because you perceive a defense value in them.
But rifles can go away.
Because you don't see the 'need' for rifles.
And you've stated that you're not afraid of these rifles. You just don't care about them, and therefore don't care if they are outlawed.
I misunderstood the difference between us.
I don't play golf, Storymark. I don't see a 'need' for golf.
But I'll be first in line to protest if someone outlaws golf clubs.
When they came for the rifles,
I remained silent;
I was not a rifleman.
When they locked up the swords,
I remained silent;
I was not a swordsman.
When they came for the pornography,
I did not speak out;
I was not a pornographer.
When they came for the arrows,
I remained silent;
I was not an archer.
When they came for my hobby,
No one spoke out for me.
Special thanks to Pastor Martin Niemöller
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Yeah, Frem, it's a Steyr. Haven't fired one, just cradled it lovingly in my arms... :) I was amazed, though, at how easily it came up to a ready position, and how easy it was to sight through that tiny scope keeping both eyes open. Very sweet-feeling, to be sure. Wouldn't pay the money, though, because I think I'd be better served with a clutch of other weapons.
And if I feel the need for a bullpup design, I'll opt for one of the AK bullpups, since I'm already invested in the 7.62x39 caliber...
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Me, I stand up for them even for my enemies, because those rights are UNIVERSAL or they're pointless.
EGG-ZACH-LEE!! I stand up for the rights of terrorists and child molesters, because the worst of us deserve the same constitutional protections as the best of us. I may despise your actions, but I will not deny you of your rights without due process. And I won't deny your right OF due process, either.
I defend the rights of the worst, because at any moment, on a political whim, you or I could be thrown into that category.
Mike
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Lest we ever forget...
First They Came...
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
- Martin Neimoller
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The reasons have been stated and I've been done trying to change peoples minds for a long while. Like you I am happy with my build and size (I love my 15.5 and 16 Bellevilles). And as cool as they are the .458 SOCCOM, .450 Bushmaster, and .50 Beowulf are too large and impractical for my needs. I'll stick with my .223 because it is light and utilitarian. And I am not a tacticool guy. I just got the AR with an ACOG as a practical utility rifle for a very good price. I actually demo'd the AK for the guy I got my AR from and he loved it. I prefer Soviet calibers (they are pretty awesome) but need to save up for another.
Sorry, back on track. The argument has been made and for some "Assault Weapons" are not for some regardless of how horribly defined they have become. I've demonstrated such weapons to ignorant folk and they were much less intimidated after seeing their actual capacity for destruction rather than what they'd seen on TV or were told in the news.
So real quick, everyone knows not to believe the things they see on TV. Believe what you can see right before your eyes. Quit feeding into media hype until you have seen for yourself the actual effects of such weapons. Look at the definitions provided and question the terms that "authority" has placed on such things.
I hope that anyone looking into the possible re-emergance of an "assault weapon" ban will look objectively at both sides.
20/20
Obama
Chris Rock
I don't completely agree or disagree with all these videos. Just food for thought.
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-Loretta Lynn
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And again, THEY ARE CRIMINALS and COWARDS. Regardless if "The Man" says they can't have weapons a criminal does not care. I could sit here talking about all the criminals I've known since I was a small child but like many other things, some of y'all just don't care about the truth.
And banning "Assault Weapons" won't stop criminals from having them. Just the everyday person who will need to find alternate ways to defend himself from illicit and home made weapons.
AK's have been made in Afghanistan and Pakistan for quite some time and they didn't have power tools and machines. When by hand I mean it quite literally in the way primitive man scavanged materials for their tools and weapons.
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The country is making a big mistake not teaching kids to cook and raise a garden and build fires.
-Loretta Lynn
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