Well, I cried.
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:02
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Originally posted by est120:
close. dante ran into a leopard, a lion and a she-wolf in the woods before he meets virgil in the inferno.
Well crap. I'm all wrong. I guess Lionwolf and Leopard would have been a weird name for a lawfirm.
Then what's the significance of the wolf, the ram, and the hart? Things we hunt? Is there some mythology I'm not remembering?
"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."
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I really wanted a great uplifting Angel speech...like the ones from "Deep Down" (The Champion speech), and "Epiphany" (the speech where he finally recognizes the reality of his purpose
Actually, I was never a big fan of the speeches. I loved the simplicity of their parting -- no words, just actions. I thought it was much more moving.
And one of my very, very favourite things was Angel's attitude. He was resigned to the facthe was probably going to die horrifically, and he showed no remorse or regret at that knowledge. He made his decision and went for it, four-on-the-floor, balls-to-the-wall because he knew it had to be done.
Personally, I thought he stopped believing in the prophecy some time ago, which, to me, makes that attitude all the more admirable, because he didn't think there would be any karmic reward. He did it because (at the risk of being violently corny) it was the right thing to do. That's why he's a champion.
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Looking back on Wes' death at work today, I realized something. It shows yet again how much bigger "Angel"'s balls are than "Buffy..."'s. In "Chosen" when they chose to kill off one of the group, they killed Anya. She was OK, but woopty-doo. It would've been like killing off Lorne. But what did the people at "Angel" do? They killed off the last remaining original member of the show other than Angel himself.
I'm trying not to look back on Wes' death, cause I just start getting all weepy again. I don't know if I'd be doing that if it had been anyone else, frankly, including Angel. And I agree -- Angel has always been a harder, darker, lonlier show than Buffy, and that's why I grew to like it more. Big brass testes, indeed.
Heh. I liked it so much I sigged it.
"Well personally, I kinda want to slay the dragon."
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Originally posted by Delia:
... when did Angel get to be 277? In Halloween, they said he was 18 in 1775, which would put his birth in 1757, and make him 247 in 2004. He said he was 243 in Earshot, which was 1999, which would make him 248 in 2004. Either way, where did the extra thirty years come from?
Personally, I think they're 70 years short of the figure. After all, he spent 100 years in a hell dimension. If Connor can be considered 20 instead of 3, then Angel gets those extra hundred years.
"Just keep walkin, preacher man."
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Originally posted by Delia:
... when did Angel get to be 277? In Halloween, they said he was 18 in 1775, which would put his birth in 1757, and make him 247 in 2004. He said he was 243 in Earshot, which was 1999, which would make him 248 in 2004. Either way, where did the extra thirty years come from?
Personally, I think they're 70 years short of the figure. After all, he spent 100 years in a hell dimension. If Connor can be considered 20 instead of 3, then Angel gets those extra hundred years.
"Just keep walkin, preacher man."
Okay, but anyway you count it, he's not 277!
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WESLEY : Feng shui.
GUNN: Right. What's that mean again?
WESLEY: That people will believe anything.
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Originally posted by Delia:
Okay, but anyway you count it, he's not 277!
As long as I keep my checkbook balanced, I don't care about numbers
"Just keep walkin, preacher man."
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Just got to watch it tonight (stupid local affiliate was always a day behind)...
Really felt it was a great ending - reflecting the darker flavor of the show & its theme of "Never give up the good fight"... especially in
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Angel signing off on the Shanshu prophecy. He realizes he didn't need its "hope" for his humanity. He'd already *had* it - his ongoing crusade & that last scene facing down the insurmountable hordes is evidence of that.
Lots of great moments in there - many already pointed out, so I won't repeat 'em... just wanted to show my appreciation to Joss & Crew - thanks to all of you!
-QO-
Gonna miss ya, Whedonverse... don't stay gone too long, ya hear?
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One thing that bothers me about the Connor/Angel reunion is that not once since Connor got his memories back has he asked about Cordelia. This was a woman who he killed for and was ready to kill. The last time he saw her she was in a coma, and he doesn't think to ask if she ever came out of it?
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After watching the Lindsey death scene I was wondering if perhaps that is how Josh felt when he found out he was being cancled by the WB. From what I understand it too came out of nowhere and I can see him thinking. You, You killed my show a low rated network... Angel (the character and his development or actor) is suppose to decide when the series dies not some flunky tv exec.)
Just a thought
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I just watched this one (TIVO'd), and though I'm not a faithful Angel watcher I decided to see how it all came out.
The thing I loved most (besides the Firefly reference in Spike's "Wishes and horses" line) was how willing Joss was to let the series end open like that to reinforce the theme. I think it was truly brave to not necessarily wrap everything up, but instead give us an open ending that instead reminds us that the story of Angel is about how the good fight never ends, and that there's nothing more noble than going down fighting for a good cause. To me, it says what the show truly meant: That Angel is a hero, a Champion, because he can't win but refuses to give up (as he said in his famous speech). He is owed as much or more than anyone in the world, but instead is driven to redemption.
To me, it shows that a series was truly great art when the theme is ultimately more important than the plot, and a pseudo-cliffhanger that reminds us what the show means is the way it is ended.
Bravo, cast and crew of Angel.
You got a wife? All I got is that dumbass stick sounds like it's raining.
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What about when Buffy put Angel in the hell dimension? Could that be where he gained those years? And even though Eve was evil, I liked what she said when Angel told he to get out of the building, after she found out that he had Lindsey killed. But now I can't remember it. And I loved the mix of tears and laughter, I wouldn't have the ending any other way. But let's put some of the anger on UPN for not giving Angel a proper last season, like they did with Buffy. Boo to the WB for bowing to conformity, and boo to UPN for not having the balls to take a stand for good (Joss Wheadon)instead of evil (network sock puppets). Okay, now that I got that out, I can focus on the big damn movie!
To Jayne-The box dropping man ape gone wrong thing.
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