Well, I cried.
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:02
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Ok, just finished it myself [I recorded it and watched it with my brother when he got home].
I enjoyed it overall, but felt it was too short - at least 30 minutes longer was needed, if not a full hour [come on, they don't even go after the bad guys until the last act! I want to know how much was cut from the script...].
Wesley's death: Sad, because Wes is one of my favorite characters and has undoubtably had the most character development in the Buffyverse... but his story was really over. I didn't like the fight, though. Maybe it's just because I wanted Wes to use that cool shotgun or dual pistols =P.
Lindsey: I sort of get why Angel had it done, and it shows that Angel HAS changed during his time at W&H.
The final scene: Great, stunning contrast to Buffy's finale.
Highlight, and most shocking moment of the episode: Anne! [Second goes to Lorne killing Lindsey, but it was telegraphed].
Overall, I enjoyed this season, but I think it might have been better served if it could have been a little less episodic.
"FOX! Where the shit hits the fans." - Tim Minear
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Adam Baldwin is 6'4" and David Boreanaz is 6'1", according to IMDB anyway.
The camera angle made it look like much more than three inches. Tricky tricky.
I shaved off my beard for you, devil woman!
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In addition loved the nods to longtime fans with Anne's return
Anne? Did I miss something?
I shaved off my beard for you, devil woman!
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Sorry that I rambled on…"I'm flawed in that way. I sometimes go on. It's been said..."
I loved the ending, and yes I did cry too.
I, without hesitation, felt that Wes's death was in no way obligatory. It was perfect in everyway, "Would you like me to lie to you now?" "Yes, I would"
And though it was mentioned how great Alexis's performance was, I have to say that Amy stole the show.
And I also loved that it ended on Angel's line: "Personally, I want to slay the dragon" What could have been better for a knight to say?
Joss Whedon knows how to end a series. To me, that episode was as perfect as the original series ending of BTVS in "The Gift" I know Buffy died, but what was more perfect than the slayer finishing her duties the way all slayers in the past have done...
But I digress
The best parts of the show for me:
Wes's death & Fred's return to guide him to her for all eternity
Conner's return in the capacity of a healthy and happy relationship with his father
Angel's last line of the series, as well as the fact that they went out fighting
My two issues (petty)
I really wanted a great uplifting Angel speech...like the ones from "Deep Down" (The Champion speech), and "Epiphany" (the speech where he finally recognizes the reality of his purpose)...(However, I have not re-watched the episode, or read a transcript of it, so I may find a monumental diatribe in there somewhere)
And Angel's comment to Harmony that it has been so long since he has been human that he doesn't remember it, not so long ago in "I Will Remember You" I know the day did not happen in actuality, but he does remember it, and thus should remember how it felt.
So....I am posting those favorite speeches because I love them so much (if anyone knows of one from this final episode, please let me know, I have a collection of these from both ATS and BTVS that I would like to add it to)
Quote:
Epiphany
Angel: In the greater scheme or the big picture, nothing we do matters. There's no grand plan, no big win. If there is no great glorious end to all this, if - nothing we do matters, - then all that matters is what we do. 'cause that's all there is. What we do, now, today. - I fought for so long. For redemption, for a reward - finally just to beat the other guy, but... I never got it. All I wanna do is help. I wanna help because - I don't think people should suffer, as they do. Because, if there is no bigger meaning, then the smallest act of kindness - is the greatest thing in the world.
Quote:
Deep Down
Angel: What you did to me - was unbelievable, Connor. - But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M. C. Esher perspective - but I did get time to think. About us, about the world. - Nothing in the world is the way it ought to be. - It's harsh, and cruel. -But that's why there's us. Champions. It doesn't matter where we come from, what we've done or suffered, or even if we make a difference. We live as though the world was what it should be, to show it what it can be.
Oh..and the others on my list (like you care, but I'll mention them anyway), Spike's speech on Love in "Lover's Walk", Angel's cliffside argument with Buffy in "Amends", as well as Angel's narrative on passion in "Passion", and finally Buffy's death voice-over in "The Gift" each gives me goose bumps again and again...
Oh yeah, and the WB can go
and "gun HOE-tze bee DIO-se" The only thing I liked about it was the montage of ATS moments, it reminded me of the great montage at the beginning of BTVS's "The Gift"I can't believe that the overwhelming outcry of the fans earned us nothing...I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I really do believe this is the end of the Buffyverse, however, sometimes I think that I am just trying to let go with a clean break and not dwell on the possibilities of a resurrection...it'll just hurt that much more when there isn't one.
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What a sad, wonderful episode. Our last fresh “Grrrr…Aarrgghh” for the foreseeable future. For Joss to put Anne in the last episode really ties the whole universe together. This side character actually has a very complete story arc through the two series.
I’m not sure why Lorne goes off on his own. I mean, I get that he’s conflicted by Angel’s morally ambiguous path, but isn’t Wolfram & Hart going to come down as hard on him as everyone else? Wouldn’t it be better to fight to the last with the team than meet his fate alone in some Margarita Ville?
When Illyria asks Wes if he wants to be lied to, does that mean Fred & he won’t be united after death? Or just the whole not really Fred thing?
Gotta love the fact that instead of the traditional “Kill the big Bad guy” at the end of most seasons we got too see each character kill a “little” bad guy. I also like the fact that we never see the Wolf, Ram & Hart. It makes them far creepier. The last shot of the team ready for action with Gunn in the shadows practically keeling over was powerful.
Nothing to look forward to now except a monthly comic book from Joss & then the movie.
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i really think the Lorne story arc was great. He may have helped angel and co. over and over again, but he, like harmony, never seemed to be part of the team to me. Lorne was like the side man that always helped out whenever he could, and it was very noble of him to do so.. but I think he never wanted that lifestyle. He came to Earth to get away from the champion gig.. I thought it was very fitting to see him finally make the choice to go back to that. It's not like it was some big suprise either, he's been depressed and angry for a while now.
As far as him "murdering" Lindsy... i dunno if i could call it that.. Lindsey wanted very badly to join the circle of the black thorn. He always comes back evil no matter how many times you think he's going to reform. Plus.. take into account what Lorne said before he shot him.
Lindsy: I could sing for ya?
Lorne: Oh, i've heard you sing... ::bang bang::
I think this is an indication that Lorne knew Lindsey was an enemy and would crush all of them the moment he could. So, I can't give my green buddy any grief for it.
Also, speaking of harmony.. glad she went evil again too. It draws the line between vampires with souls and vampires without them.
one other thing.. wow.. WB.. you got some balls showing that "thank you" message at the end there. If any of the WB folks would have been in the room with me when that had aired, I'd have f*cking put them on the floor.
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*runs from room at the sight of spoilers*
Careful with the spoilers, some of us haven't seen the last episode yet 
That said, I can't believe it was only an hour. How can you wrap everything up after five years in only an hour?
Trekkie,Browncoat,Leaper,MSTie
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My funniest moment: Spike at the poetry slam getting applause for using the word effulgent! What a fitting triumph for our bleach vamp.
Most shocking moment: Lorne taking out Lyndsey. I liked both characters so much, it was like they both died. Lorne's earlier cryptic comments make sense now. He's a side character who I could always get more of. It just came out of nowhere.
Worst Moment: WB's syrupy, condescending "Thank You" Fuck off and die, you money-grubbing weasels.
"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"
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Originally posted by Phoenixship:
Most shocking moment: Lorne taking out Wesley. I liked both characters so much, it was like they both died. Lorne's earlier cryptic comments make sense now. He's a side character who I could always get more of. It just came out of nowhere.
Did you mean Lindsey?
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WESLEY : Feng shui.
GUNN: Right. What's that mean again?
WESLEY: That people will believe anything.
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woops - Lyndsey. Of Course.
"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"
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