Well, I cried.

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UPDATED: Sunday, May 23, 2004 11:02
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WINTERFELL

Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:36 AM

Dammit.... i cried too... f*ck that was good tv...

PARADIGMSHIFT

Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:52 AM

I liked it, but at the same time, I had some major problems with it, too.

1) There was no even minimal setup of the Harmony/Hamilton thing. Not even something we could look back and and say, 'oh, hey! that's that that meant!' That felt a bit forced.
2) Wesley's death. To me, it seemed like they felt obliged to kill someone off, so, for no reason, they killed him. The lack of *reason* there was what left me with a dissatisfied feel. I do believe I would have loved this episode if it had ended the exact same way, but it kept the group intact.

So, that's my weigh in.

Sorry to rain on everyone else's joy about this one, but I couldn't feel the same.

Paradigm Shift

KUKOO

Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:02 AM

I loved seeing a series finale that did not tie everything up with a cheesy neat little bow. Instead, it dared to go to farther then any other episode in the series and take us to the darkest place in Jossverse yet while maintaining the theme of the series.... That it is the fight that is important, not who wins or loses. As Mal said (and I am paraphrasing as I cannot remember the exact quote) "It may have been the losing side, but I am still not sure if it was the wrong one".

In addition loved the nods to longtime fans with Anne's return and Spike reading the poem that he wrote the night he became a Vampire.

And F**k the WB with the thank for your loyalty crap at the end, may they go to the special hell.

STEVE580

Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:07 AM

"Would you like me to lie to you now?" "Yes."
Yeah, that was a damn sad scene; one of the most emotional scenes from a Whedon show ever. Sucks so much that he died; I was hoping it'd be Lorne, or Gunn. I like them both, but Wes is just so *cool*.

Damn, I seriously when Angel first stumbled into the alley and looked around that he was the only one who had survived. I thought there would be a montage of him waiting in the alley, and then the sun would come up, and he'd walk off alone, and it would fade to Joss Whedon's name. I was soo glad to hear Spike's 'Boo'. And when Gunn stumbled in, that was cool too.

My question? How the fuck were they planning on having a sixth season? They lost Lorne, Harmony, Wesley, and Gunn in this episode. So, season six would be Spike and Angel with the blue gal?

I loved that this ep had such funny lines, though! "Can I deny you three times?" and the line about not wearing jewlry; Harmony's betrayal; Angel's "I kinda hoped this fight would be going better"; funny stuff. I loved the fact that Conner was in the episode; and what's more, he fought. Fred was in it, sort of. Plus Illrya started to become humaner; the beginning of Fred's return?

Well, Joss has said before that this isn't the end of the Buffyverse. So I won't give up hope...I mean, I didn't with Firefly, and now we're getting a 35 billion dollar movie.

EST120

Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:11 AM

close. dante ran into a leopard, a lion and a she-wolf in the woods before he meets virgil in the inferno.

ELYSIAN

Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:25 AM

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Originally posted by Steve580:
My question? How the fuck were they planning on having a sixth season? They lost Lorne, Harmony, Wesley, and Gunn in this episode. So, season six would be Spike and Angel with the blue gal?

To be honest I don't think this is quite the way he would have ended it had there going to have been a sixth season. They knew they'd be no sixth season so they had nothing to lose. They'd pulled out all the stops and just let it roll. Good on them! Though I still wish they hadn't killed Wesley.

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Well, Joss has said before that this isn't the end of the Buffyverse. So I won't give up hope...I mean, I didn't with Firefly, and now we're getting a 35 billion dollar movie.

It better not be the end. I'm still hoping for another tv series. They obviously won't have it ready by fall, but a mid-season replacement would be cool. Spike, all the way! Illyria can come too. I won't mind.

DELIA

Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:43 AM

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Originally posted by ParadigmShift:
I liked it, but at the same time, I had some major problems with it, too.

1) There was no even minimal setup of the Harmony/Hamilton thing. Not even something we could look back and and say, 'oh, hey! that's that that meant!' That felt a bit forced.
2) Wesley's death. To me, it seemed like they felt obliged to kill someone off, so, for no reason, they killed him. The lack of *reason* there was what left me with a dissatisfied feel. I do believe I would have loved this episode if it had ended the exact same way, but it kept the group intact.

So, that's my weigh in.

Sorry to rain on everyone else's joy about this one, but I couldn't feel the same.

Paradigm Shift

I wasn't sure whether to take it as Harmony had been in on it with Hamilton all along, or if that was just how she had decided to keep him busy.

As for Wesley's death (over which I went to pieces -- crying from the moment Illyria walked through the door, sobbing by "I've missed you"), I don't think it was just an "obligation" death. In a way, Wesley had to die, because there was nothing else left for him (he had no "perfect day"). His death had to be "meaningless" in order to have meaning, at least with the viewers. It's the meaningless deaths (Joyce, Tara) that hit the hardest. Plus, Alexis Denisof got one hell of a death scene. Now, where's his Emmy nomination?

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WESLEY : Feng shui.
GUNN: Right. What's that mean again?
WESLEY: That people will believe anything.

ALIENZOOKEEPER

Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:06 AM

Agreed. He deserves it, and also for helping carry the show. I know that it's called 'Angel', but Wes- well, to quote Mal, "He's my hero!"

The stuff with Linsey and Lorne, that i didn't get. Why the lair of middle eastern demons, why those two, why...

BTW, was that 'zilla or 'thulhu, coming down the alley ;-)

"I got mine."

vince the alien zookeeper

SHADOWVESSEL

Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:24 AM

What can I say? I had hopes that there'd be TV movies next year, but that looks like it won't happen now. So, guess I have to accept it as it is. The end of Angel. I remember Joss said something in an interview about how the end of the series would make the point of Angel. The never-ending battle against evil is just that... it never ends. I think he did quite the job on that point.

I thought Wes' death did have meaning. It meant, if Fred's soul is somewhere on another plane of existence and not destroyed, that he's finally at peace and with the woman he loves. And the scene itself... Best Death Scene Ever. I admit I cried also.

I don't get how Gunn took on a whole room of vampires and won. I mean, even Buffy never took on more than a room full of vamps alone and she's a freakin' Slayer! What's his power?

The only thing that pissed me off was when Angel signed over the Shan-shu prophecy. Was it nessesary to remove all hope? I kept thinking that he was gonna get it back and burn it or something. Guess it really is over.

And I really didn't realize that Jayne/Hamilton was so freakin' BIG! You notice that side view of him and Angel standing in front of each other? Angel's head came to his neck.

Here's to five, no actually eight, years of THE vampire with a soul. And also to the end of an era as Mutant Enemy takes it's final walk across our screen.

"Well personally, I want to slay the dragon."

(Gorramn Double Post)
"I'll be in my bunk."

DELIA

Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:24 AM

I got, from a storytelling point of view, why Lorne killed Lindsey -- it was unexpected, and it was a subversion of the showdown we'd all been expecting since we saw Eve crawl into bed with him in November. And I think I'm reading correctly that Angel told Lorne to do it, because Lindsey could never be trusted, though that flies in the face of the whole "redemption" theme. The whole show could have used a bit more explanation -- when will they figure out that these Whedon shows NEED two hour finales?

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WESLEY : Feng shui.
GUNN: Right. What's that mean again?
WESLEY: That people will believe anything.

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