Speaking of Poll Numbers...
POSTED BY: Kwicko
UPDATED: Saturday, September 20, 2008 00:17
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well Deadlockvitim, the rub is that even while I'm accusing Hero of being cynical, I think his posts demonstrate often that he is a man who can reason,
so while I wouldn't be making this argument for many of the gut Palin supporters, I don't think Hero is one of them, I think he knew she sounded woefully insufficient on foreign policy issues and others, and he has instead chosen to ignore that truth and paint an entirely different picture...nay not even to paint a picture, just to say that he likes what she says(nonspecific) and that democrats are afraid of her.
And just to clarify one more time, this could be an argument about issues and about Palin's 'facts' but the reality is she didn't bring any 'facts' to the table, she wasn't even prepared to give an argument that her base would support....she fillibustered, she stumbled, she skated around answering things she had no idea about...in essence, she faked it, and I dont think that is quite as open to opinion for anybody.
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Quote:First, this is a national election, and I'm fair sure that the poll numbers Kwicko is referring to in this thread are the national numbers. "Generally liked" in AK gets one a whopping 3 electoral votes, and is pretty much meaningless.
Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by swish:
"Palin's favorable rating is at 40 percent, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll. That's down 4 points from last week. Her unfavorable rating is at 30 percent, rising eight points in a week."
She's extremely popular in her state...arguably the people who know her best.
Obama is generally liked in Chicago. Does that convince you of anything?
Also... what's that thing with the bipartisan investigation into abuse of power while governor of AK? And the article written by a resident of Wasilla who's known Palin for years and finds her vindictive and self-serving? Hmm. Not a lot of like there.
Quote:Have you been watching the news? At all? Besides FOX?
That said people have generally responded positively to her, meaning what they see, they like.
Quote:Sure, she did indeed tighten the race, meaning that many people did like her at first glance. She also hugely boosted contributions to Obama, which means that many also disliked her pretty vehemently.
Her choice turned this into a real race. That would not have happened if she was generally disliked. Then she'd have been Joe Bidon.
Point is, she is neither generally liked nor generally disliked. She is a very polarizing presence who's brought on strong reactions in both ways, largely because of her "attack dog" convention speech. (Says a lot about how she'd run a government, hmm?)
BTW, now she's cancelling her campaign stops in CA and Washington state. Hmm. Wonder why...
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Swish:
Maybe I should modify that statement, and say she was chosen because she's George Bush with tits.
Better?
This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Quote:Prolly doesn't need to bring any more bruised fruit and rotten tomatoes to the family table.
BTW, now she's cancelling her campaign stops in CA and Washington state. Hmm. Wonder why...
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Swish:
Maybe I should modify that statement, and say she was chosen because she's George Bush with tits.
Better?
Does that make Joe Bidden, Bill Clinton with tits? At least Bush doesn't have big old man boobs like Clinton. Watching Bubba jog to McDonalds for french fries was one one the scariest parts of his Presidency.
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Does that make Joe Bidden, Bill Clinton with tits? At least Bush doesn't have big old man boobs like Clinton. Watching Bubba jog to McDonalds for french fries was one one the scariest parts of his Presidency.
Wow. I mean. Wow. George Bush starts an illegal war, has people tortured, presides over a massive economic crash, and you bitch about Clinton jogging to McDonalds. Wow.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Item of note:
Been doing my homework on Biden, lately.
I don't care for his affiliation with the Dem party, and some of his financiers, obviously.
But I will concede that is both a very smart and effective politician by my exacting standards and have no objection on that front.
He's fallen on enough rough times to have a bit more humanity to him than others of the established elite and carries with him both a stronger constitutional foundation than most, as well as a certain cynicism and understanding of people as a whole that will usefully offset Obama's idealism if employed properly.
And unlike Palin, he gets shit DONE instead of just doing shit, which is a plus in my book.
I have serious objections to Obama, everyone knows this, and my feelings for McCain/Palin are something you couldn't print in a family magazine, which is also well known...
But Joe does carry my approval, a very begruding and resigned approval, but nonetheless he has it, although I am unlikely to vote that way unless it seems viable as an act of pure self-defense from the nightmare the other party seems damned determined to foist upon us, and to be honest, it may well come to that.
A lotta talk has been uttered recently about folks never changing their minds or positions, and while there is a point to that, it's not completely true.
As dangerous as the gullible pansys who are so terrified of imagined boogeymen can be, as a political force, their own rabid flailing is day by day pushing me closer to the thought of choking down my ire long enough to vote for a candidate I cannot stand as an act of desperate self-defense against the brown-shirted faux-news horde.
And I know for damned sure I ain't the only one.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
he gets shit DONE instead of just doing shit
Now there's a campaign slogan we can believe in
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Actually I stole it from Dark General Cobalt from Stefan Gagne's "Sailor Nothing."
A fascinating story, btw - and (to me) a bit of an allegory about the truth of some of the stuff folk like PN and I do, which is why were so mentally... different.
It's worth a read, but bring a stiff drink with you.
http://pixelscapes.com/sailornothing/
-Frem
I flipped him a coupla paypal bucks too, it was certainly worth em, but I'd pay even more for a bound version sitting on my shelf.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Swish:
Maybe I should modify that statement, and say she was chosen because she's George Bush with tits.
Better?
Well... George Bush and Dick Cheney's bastard love child with tits. That I'd agree to.
Thanks for the input about Biden, Frem. I really haven't had opportunity to figure him out. And no wonder - he's done like 80 press appearances since he got the nod and hardly a one gets headlines. Poor guy. Got substance but who cars? Sarah gets us mad, (at her or at each other) and that's more fun! Well, better headlines.
And by the way, my admission of Palin's strengths is my own attempt to be open-minded. I'm trying.
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