Speaking of Poll Numbers...
POSTED BY: Kwicko
UPDATED: Saturday, September 20, 2008 00:17
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Rue,
Anytime you trot out the "racist" boogey-man..."KKKarl Rove" ect, your argument loses merit.
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KKKarl Rove may not be personally racist (though he IS a deeply self-hating homophobe) but he is playing up the discomfort many non-Blacks - and that includes Asians and Hispanics as well as Whites - have for a Black candidate. And, you are what you do.
Think about the Palin demographic some more. You'll understand it better.
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Originally posted by rue:
Why else do you think he spent an entire thread insisting against all fact and opinion that Obama should apologize for something he didn't do ? Out of concern for Obama or his own poor mother's outrage ?
I noted in that thread that I thought Obama's remarks innocent at best and unintended at worst.
Actually I was commenting on the politics of the situation and his failure to handle it effectively.
People took Obama's comments the wrong way. He fell into the common mistake of defending his remarks (which focused more attention on the remarks then they deserved), which were irrelevant rhetoric, and would have been better served to acknowledge the stepped on feelings of a large number of women. He could have been sensitive to their concerns rather then defensive and dismissive.
Politically, I think it would have served him better.
H
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"People took Obama's comments the wrong way."
The right-wing echo chamber made them out to be something they were not. And it was then repeated ad nauseum in the 'liberal' media. Generic 'people' had nothing to do with it. And yes, you kept insisting he apologize for something he didn't do. And yes you are a party flak.
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No one heard of Obama before the Dems trotted him out as the token black guy..he never did anything of any renown before.
And no one had ever heard of Palin before she got the nod as the token woman. Seriously, the ONLY reason she's on the ticket is because she has tits, and the Republicans cynically think women will shut their eyes and vote for the one with tits.
What IS Palin's record? What IS her experience? Other than the teleprompter stuff she keeps repeating - over and over and over again - none of which is remotely true - what has she done, and what qualifies her for the job? From what I can see, there's just no "there" there. She's a black hole; she exists, but damned if we can get any information out of her.
I mean, did she at least invent the Blackberry or something? Oh, wait - that was McCane. ;)
This world is a comedy for those who think, and a tragedy for those who feel.
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He fell into the common mistake of defending his remarks (which focused more attention on the remarks then they deserved)...
There was no "mistake" that I saw, and I didn't see Obama "defend" his remarks. I *DID* see him use the phony furor of the right as an excuse to expand on those remarks, and take another shot or two at the McPain ticket, and get a lot of laughs with it.
I have yet to talk to anyone who was offended by the remarks; everyone I've talked to thought it was funny as hell, even though they were all sure he was taking a dig at Palin. Meanwhile, Obama stole a piece of the word "lipstick" from the opponent - now when it's brought up, you get two images: Sarah Palin's "tough guy" act, and a pig.
Mike
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Oh, and it had the added bonus attraction of getting the media asking if the McPain team were really just a bunch of whiny beeyotches, which is true enough...
Far as I can see, Obama's remark only helped him and hurt his opponent.
Mike
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
You know that if Palin becomes President for any reason, she will be at the whim of her handlers...
...the same handlers who have told her what to say from the beginning of this circus.
From the 'for what it's worth department'... I have to put in my dos centavos... there are people here who share varying views on the politics and candidates from the two major parties in this election. I think I've made my stance pretty clear - a liberal progressive humanist from an ultra conservative region of the country... (don't get me started..), so I'll agree with you on the dangers of the McCain/Palin ticket... and that's ok.... but, just as you, me and others who share our position, there are probably just as many here who think otherwise - and that's ok too. That freedom to choose what you believe is guaranteed (still, i think - although it takes a real beating sometimes).
Now, choosing wisely - that's where the argument comes in. Everyone likes to think they know shit from shineola and will sometimes go to great lengths to prove their argument superior to the opposing view, when, in truth, the shit they THINK they know may indeed be no better than the shineola they use to polish their argument.
So, when forming your argument or opinion - there are those of us who feel that sticking to the facts as they are presented by one candidate (and party), and weighing those facts, as we perceive them, against the other candidate as well as other factors, not the least of which would be, IMO, the performance of the incumbent party, is the best way to decide.
Then there are those among us who base their opinions on things like tabloid journalism, slanderous ads and innuendoes, and even what Joe Blow down at the local watering hole tells them to think - (btw, this is a whole different issue - people who have the inability to think for themselves, which points back to, I think, what Rue was saying about the Palin demographic).
What I'm saying is this, we can go round and round this argument and work ourselves up over it in an attempt to try to change someone else's mind - or we can simply present the facts as they appear to us and hope that they will become logical to the person who is still new to the political process or who may be yet undecided as to what is the best course for the future of the country. This is certainly a time when the right choice is imperative.
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Quote:Here's the part that confuses me - you can like her all you want, but how can you possibly be alive and aware in this universe and think that Palin is "generally liked"? Some like her, sure. Some most emphatically do not! And the numbers are growing:
Originally posted by Hero:
People are generally tired of Obama, they generally like Palin,
"Palin's favorable rating is at 40 percent, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll. That's down 4 points from last week. Her unfavorable rating is at 30 percent, rising eight points in a week."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/18/palin.appeal/?iref=mpstoryview
Kwicko: I disagree about the "chosen for having tits" issue. That was one part of it certainly, but even an avid Palin hater has to admit that not many first term governors from tiny towns could walk into a national convention, on national TV, and deliver the speech she did. Yes, it disgusted many, but it excited many, and it provided a huge (if temporary, I believe) boost for McCain. I think she was chosen for that speech-giving ability, and for her conservative beliefs.
So let's be clear: many a human being with tits was not chosen as a McCain running mate because they did not have Palin's conservative values, small town background to appeal to moose-eating hicks everywhere, and mostly her remarkable likeness to a mean little dog. (I mean personality-wise, of course!
)That said, she's still a f*cking loon and this selection will make McCain's already slim chances wither and die completely. Is my guess.
Yeah - and how about that email hack? How long will wikileaks be down over this?
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Originally posted by swish:
"Palin's favorable rating is at 40 percent, according to a CBS News/New York Times poll. That's down 4 points from last week. Her unfavorable rating is at 30 percent, rising eight points in a week."
She's extremely popular in her state...arguably the people who know her best.
Now I can't say people nationwide generally support her. More do then don't, but a heck of a lot of people don't know her. That said people have generally responded positively to her, meaning what they see, they like.
Her choice turned this into a real race. That would not have happened if she was generally disliked. Then she'd have been Joe Bidon.
H
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