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South Ossetia: Defense against ethnic cleansing, or invasion? (Turns out, Georgia fired missiles first. it was self defense)
POSTED BY: SignyM
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Friday, August 22, 2008 12:47 PM
Quote:Right. After 12 years of negotiation, 17 Chapter 7 Resolutions, and Sanctions that solved no other problems but the lives of 1.5 million people - then I was ready to just jump straight into war. You’re a little bit dumb, aren’t you?
Originally posted by Kwicko:
And, as I've pointed out, your FIRST option seems to be to jump straight for the "war" card. You are unwilling to do anything other than jump straight into an all-out war at the drop of a hat.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Friday, August 22, 2008 1:26 PM
Quote:I just heard a piece on NPR where they interviewed former press secretary Scott McClellan, and he said it was Bush's fervent belief that the Middle East needed re-structuring to create a lasting stability & to create a bad medium in which terrorists could flourish, and that that was the ONLY reason we went into Iraq- everything else was promo.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
those reasons and justifications are changing more often than the seasons. WMD! Oil For Food! Terrorists! Al Qaeda! Hez'bollah! Hamas! Congress made us do it! Saddam must go! UN bad - US good! Support the troops! Moral imperative! Fightin' 'em there so we don't have to fight 'em here! They hate our freedoms! You're not the boss of me! I'm the decider! The Sunnis! The Shiites! The Kurds! The Iranians! The Russians! The Chinese! The North Koreans! The sky is falling!
See- we've done such a good job of re-structuring places all over the world, it's not a grandiose idea at all that we could improve the WHOLE MIDDLE EAST at a whim....right?
isall
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Friday, August 22, 2008 2:02 PM
Quote:Except... that it DID work. Saddam's WMD were no more.
Right. After 12 years of negotiation, 17 Chapter 7 Resolutions, and Sanctions that solved no other problems but the lives of 1.5 million people - then I was ready to just jump straight into war. You’re a little bit dumb, aren’t you?
And when that was about to be validated, our Admin cut the process short. And all YOU can seem to do, rather than admit that you misjudged the situation, is to defend an unnecessary war ad infinitum ad nauseum.
Which is consistent with your posts on wars in general. There isn't a war or intervention (of ours) that you haven't defended at one point or another, including supplying the Taliban and ObL with arms, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada etc. It doesn't matter what the putative cause, it's all good. Some people might agree with your preference for war, and others disagree, but your pro-war bias is obvious to many people - but not you.
I'm not saying you're a hypocrite. But you really don't KNOW what you think.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Friday, August 22, 2008 2:10 PM
Quote:Yes, and yes.
Does your model lessen the instabilities presently in Iraq? Does it lower the burden on indebted homeowners?
Quote:I can't help it if you're uneducable.
Oh, but I have learned alot from different Posters in this forum, too bad the same can't be said about you.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Friday, August 22, 2008 3:02 PM
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
If these are your avowed positions, you hardly gain any credibility by questioning my taking the same position in regards to your beloved little war. And truth be told, I'm right there with ya on at least two of those issues.
Have you ever heard of irony?
If I see a confused small child out in the rain near the highway should I stop and help? Why bother, the kids not mine nor did I have anything to do with the circumstances which led to the kid's present situation. Now are you starting to pick up what I'm layin down?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Remember your old sig line about sweeping generalizations always being wrong?
Yes. You DO realize that it's an ironic statement, don't you? It's a contradiction - if I say that sweeping generalizations are always wrong, then that statement is itself a sweeping generalization, and therefore must be wrong. Do you get it?
Most things get wet when it rains, is that statement inherently wrong?
Kwicko can hardly post without besmirching anything republican, is that statement inherently wrong?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
MUST be? Not necessarily. If you throw your lot in with Bush and his cronies and support the Iraq war, then yes.
It's all black and white to you isn't it. If I question you I must oppose you. You are either against the terrorists or with the terrorists, right?
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
And all Muslims are terrorists, right?
Your words, not mine. Let me guess; you never once said anything along the lines of "we should nuke the entire Middle East" or "Kill 'em all".
Actually no I have not. See you are still having a problem with that whole irony thing though.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm not your son. You're not my father, nor any kin to me (thank the fates). And I'm likely older than you are, boy. Don't like the profanity? Change your screen name. Isn't that a four-letter word I see in it?
What would you be more comfortable uttering around a five year old, Damn or F#*k.
I guess I'm just remembering a simpler time on this board when cussin' was the exeption, not the rule. Doesn't add anything to the debate, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Show some respect for your fellow Posters.
I show respect for those who earn it.
No, you do not.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
We all 'get' that you knew everything about everything once it had already happened.
I don't think you "get" it at all. The party on the right is the party that is essentially saying:
"Warnings about Al Qaeda? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Hunting down Bin Laden? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Liberating Iraq and making it a haven for democracy and a beacon to the Middle East? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Throwing covert operatives under the bus to settle political scores? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Firing U.S. attorneys who didn't want to play ball on caging lists and participate in election fraud? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Responding to natural disasters like Katrina? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Anticipating the mortgage meltdown? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Tanking the economy and devaluing the dollar? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Blowing the "permanent majority" that would keep us forever in power? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Having any credibility on the world diplomatic stage? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Pulling nations together to unite in an effort to eradicate terrorism? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Wiping out the Taliban and Al Qaeda and putting an end to Islamic extremism? Boy, we really screwed that one up...
Getting you cheap oil like Rupert Murdoch promised? Boy, we really screwed that one up..."
What you don't seem to get is that it is all moot at this point.
WHO CARES HOW OR WHY THE INVASION TOOK PLACE, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THA
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Friday, August 22, 2008 3:07 PM
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I can't help it if you're uneducable.
I'm rubber and you're glue.
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Friday, August 22, 2008 3:11 PM
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Just because I do not play the "I told you so" card as freely as some, does not mean I did not know.
Then, pray tell, how can we know that you aren't just posturing? You SAY you know, but what proof do we have?
Well I talked to my friends, family, co-workers, internet forums, letters...
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Tell me how you know anything about me...
Right back atcha, sporto.
I think Finn was right, you are kinda dumb.
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Friday, August 22, 2008 3:23 PM
Quote:BDN, you post too much sillyness to address point by point, so let me just hit this one:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Most things get wet when it rains, is that statement inherently wrong?
This is not a yes I agree or no I don't statement, you dolt. If by most things you mean rooftops, umbrellas and outdoor vegetation, then yes. If you mean books, most home electronic equipment, or the core of the Earth, then no.
But then again, simple-mindedness doth amuse me, it's been said.
Chrisisall
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Friday, August 22, 2008 3:27 PM
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
But then again, simple-mindedness doth amuse me, it's been said.
You are your own best friend.
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Friday, August 22, 2008 3:34 PM
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Right. After 12 years of negotiation, 17 Chapter 7 Resolutions, and Sanctions that solved no other problems but the lives of 1.5 million people - then I was ready to just jump straight into war.
And, as you yourself have pointed out, 12 years and 17 resolutions that were never enforced because of the UN's inherent evilness and corruption, and the US's inherent unwillingness to back UN enforcement... but let's never let that stop us from blaming the UN for what we wouldn't demand they do!
As for your "1.5 million" figure - I don't buy it. That number has gone up and up and up, every time it gets tossed out there. First it was 120,000; then it was 140,000 - and after only a few short iterations, it's now all the way up to 1.5 million! Keep going; before you know it, Saddam will have killed more of his own people than Stalin and Hitler combined.
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You’re a little bit dumb, aren’t you?
Could be... could be. Of course, that loses a little of its intended sting when it's coming from the guy who can't tell the difference between "then" and "than", "their", "there" and "they're", "your", "you're" and "yore", and "weather" and "whether"...
So if I'm a "little bit dumb" (congrats on getting that silent "b" in the right place!), where does that leave you? More than a little, I'd wager...
Mike
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