South Ossetia: Defense against ethnic cleansing, or invasion? (Turns out, Georgia fired missiles first. it was self defense)
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Quote:Selective reading. There are plenty good reasons to pound on Saudi Arabia - that doesn’t mean that it’s worth the resources.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Something about there not being a good reason to not pound on a ruthless dictator. Seems like I read that somewhere. Must've been someone else posting that...
Quote:Their the ones saying to stay in and work it out. I was thinking of people like you.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yes, people like the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense... you know, the people who said it would be over in days, weeks, months (doubtful), "mission accomplished", and all that. It ISN'T that easy, and never has been - that's why military force isn't the first option, but the LAST option. And one that we were never anywhere near needing to opt for.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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I was thinking of people like you.
People like me - because you know so much about me. I've never said that it was going to be too easy, or that we should "give up". What I HAVE said - and have been saying for years - is that we shouldn't have gone in in the first place, BECAUSE it wasn't going to be fast or easy, and we'd be bogged down for YEARS. And for that, I was labeled - by "people like you" - as un-American, unpatriotic, pessimistic, a lover of terrorists, and anything else you - and "people like you" - could throw at me. Yet I'm still here, and I'm still right.
And you and the "people like you" are still trying to justify the war, and still changing the reasons and rationale behind the rush to war.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Quote:I’ve never called you any of those things, nor have I changed my reasons why I believe the war was and should have been fought. But I believe I have seen you argue that we should leave Iraq, though I’m not certain of that nor am I going to investigate it. If you say you believe we should stay in and work out the remaining concerns then I’ll believe you and agree.
Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
I was thinking of people like you.
People like me - because you know so much about me. I've never said that it was going to be too easy, or that we should "give up". What I HAVE said - and have been saying for years - is that we shouldn't have gone in in the first place, BECAUSE it wasn't going to be fast or easy, and we'd be bogged down for YEARS. And for that, I was labeled - by "people like you" - as un-American, unpatriotic, pessimistic, a lover of terrorists, and anything else you - and "people like you" - could throw at me. Yet I'm still here, and I'm still right.
And you and the "people like you" are still trying to justify the war, and still changing the reasons and rationale behind the rush to war.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:"worth" the resources? So, why was IRAQ "worth" the resources, but not Saudi Arabia? Or Darfur? What do you place this "worth" on?
that doesn’t mean that it’s worth the resources.
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My question is this: What tips the scale for you towards Iraq v Saudi Arabia? Do you perceive a higher "cost" of invading Saudi Arabia? If so, what would those costs be? Do you perceive a higher benefit in invading Iraq? If so, what are those benefits?
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There are plenty good reasons to pound on Saudi Arabia - that doesn’t mean that it’s worth the resources.
So, at long last, there's your "principled" moral stand - We'll do it, if it's worth the investment. That's your entire basis for the worth of a human life, is it? It certainly comes across as such.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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Quote:That's on a need-to-know basis, Signy.
Originally posted by SignyM:
"worth" the resources? So, why was IRAQ "worth" the resources, but not Saudi Arabia? Or Darfur? What do you place this "worth" on?
(Actually, it's a secret & complicated thing Cheney does; he has things around him that represent countries, then closes his eyes, has a Budweiser, and fires his gun- what gets hit is where we go. For instance, recently, pheasants represented North Korea, trees were Darfur, & old friends were Iran, so guess where we go next.)
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
What I HAVE said - and have been saying for years - is that we shouldn't have gone in in the first place, BECAUSE it wasn't going to be fast or easy, and we'd be bogged down for YEARS. And for that, I was labeled - by "people like you" - as un-American, unpatriotic, pessimistic, a lover of terrorists, and anything else you - and "people like you" - could throw at me. Yet I'm still here, and I'm still right.
That's right, just close your eyes, plug your ears and hum softly secure in your position. How can we help fix Iraq? How do we help stabilize the country? How do we help to rebuild people's lives? Who cares, we shouldn't have gone in the first place, nah nah nah nah nah.
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Quote:Yo- I'm about sick of your nonsense, BDN, no one's sayin' just leave them to twist, we're lookin' for solutions for this mess & tryin' to LEARN not to let things like this happen again.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
That's right, just close your eyes, plug your ears and hum softly secure in your position. How can we help fix Iraq? How do we help stabilize the country? How do we help to rebuild people's lives? Who cares, we shouldn't have gone in the first place, nah nah nah nah nah.
Time out for you, young man.
Stern Chrisisall
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Quote:I wasn't gonna go there. But it seems that way to me too. Maybe Finn can 'splain it.
So, at long last, there's your "principled" moral stand - We'll do it, if it's worth the investment. That's your entire basis for the worth of a human life, is it? It certainly comes across as such.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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