South Ossetia: Defense against ethnic cleansing, or invasion? (Turns out, Georgia fired missiles first. it was self defense)
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UPDATED: Sunday, August 23, 2026 15:28
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Like most anti-war types you where willing to trust the ruthless dictator.
That's a lie; I've NEVER trusted George W. Bush.
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And you didn’t know any more then I did that there were or weren’t WMD’s and everyone knew we would be there for a long time.
Again, a lie. Quoth Donald Rumsfeld:
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...the Iraq war "could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months," and stating in August 2003, "My impression is that the war was highly successful."
So, mission accomplished, eh? War's done, we're outta there in August of '03!
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The issue wasn’t as much about disarming Hussein, as much as it was about removing the UNSC from his pocket.
Again, a lie - at least according to George W. Bush's State of the Union Address:
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quoth George W. Bush:
“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .”
So, I guess it was about disarming him, before it WASN'T about disarming him.
I guess when you look at it your way, invading Iraq and sacrificing thousands of American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians was totally worth it - if we could just make sure that we got the UNSC out of Saddam's pocket. Why, hell, that justifies the whole damned thing! Why didn't you just say so in the first place?
Oh, yeah - because it's a bullshit reason. And yet another lie you tell to make yourself feel better.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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Signy, can I borrow your Magic 8-Ball? Mine's busted. All it says when I ask it Finn's questions is "That's a Lie."
Well... maybe it's working right, after all. :)
Mike
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Quote:Doesn’t everybody? There really can never NOT be a good reason to pound on a ruthless dictator. It just comes down to whether you want to put the resources in it, that’s all.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
or you just like to see ruthless dictators pounded on no matter what the reason.
Quote:It worked.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Listen to what you type, Finn...we removed the UNSC from his pocket by INVADING HIS COUNTRY???
Were you just typing fast or something??
And unlike weapons’ inspections no one ever doubted that it would. Now the next time a rogue nations compiles 17 Chapter 7 Resolutions, they’ll be looking over their shoulders, because the world and the UN knows that nations will not sit around while the UN dicks around and rogue nations start buying votes.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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It worked.
Yes, swimmingly - why, we hardly had to even flick our finger. And it was all over so FAST. I can't believe we went in, fixed all the problems in Iraq, and got out so quickly.
Oh, wait - we didn't. I guess we sure showed those Frenchies, though - now they know that you don't bribe anyone in Iraq without putting the vig into Halliburton/KBR's pocket first!
Thank goodness there's no more corruption, scandal, bribery, or tomfoolery going on in Iraq now that we've saved the day for them.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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There really can never NOT be a good reason to pound on a ruthless dictator.
Well, unless he's YOUR ruthless dictator, bought and paid for with your tax money. And, you know, you kind of like him... the way we Americans tend to kind of like so many of the world's ruthless dictators.
So tell me, when do you plan to start pounding on Saudi Arabia?
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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Quote:This is really the only problem with this option. Too many people think that it should happen without “flick[ing] a finger,” and that it should be “over so FAST.” Too many people want easy fix solutions, which don't exist and have never existed, which means too many people are too willing to give up.
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It worked.
Yes, swimmingly - why, we hardly had to even flick our finger. And it was all over so FAST. I can't believe we went in, fixed all the problems in Iraq, and got out so quickly.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Why would I bomb Saudi Arabia?
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So tell me, when do you plan to start pounding on Saudi Arabia?
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-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Why would I bomb Saudi Arabia?
Originally posted by Kwicko:
So tell me, when do you plan to start pounding on Saudi Arabia?
Something about there not being a good reason to not pound on a ruthless dictator. Seems like I read that somewhere. Must've been someone else posting that...
Plus it seems like they're quite the ripe ground for terrorists. Let's see... Osama bin Laden - Saudi. Fifteen of nineteen 9/11 hijackers - Saudis. Naahhh, you're right - Iraq is the real threat. Or is it Iran this week?
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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This is really the only problem with this option. Too many people think that it should happen without “flick[ing] a finger,” and that it should be “over so FAST.”
Yes, people like the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense... you know, the people who said it would be over in days, weeks, months (doubtful), "mission accomplished", and all that. It ISN'T that easy, and never has been - that's why military force isn't the first option, but the LAST option. And one that we were never anywhere near needing to opt for.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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