SEN. OBAMA: I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman.
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Monday, August 25, 2008 13:24
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Quote:I took shop as well- good toy phasers were unavailable at that time...I also took ballet in college..me & 1 other guy surrounded by 20 beautiful, athletic babes we were forced to dance with....oh the pain, the pain.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
What's the matter Frem, did the big noisy table saw scare you?
Just kidding, I knew many guys that took home ec in school. The smart ones saw the advantage of being surrounded by girls instead of taking safety instructions from the three fingered shop teacher.
Chrisisall
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Ahh the heady days of youth...I took Home Ec too...but for different reasons.
The guys in shop class were making weapons (knives, shanks, ect), which invariably, given the oppurtunity would have been used on the one "minority" kid in that whole misbegotten hell-hole...me.
Plus, if the teach left, turned his back, or was distracted, I would have been pushed INTO the buzzsaw, accidentally beaten with a hammer, or impaled on an exacto knife.. so Home Ec for me.
Where I learned that even cheap plastic knives can be melted down into a good sturdy defensive weapon.
*sigh
But I digress....
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Quote:My High School was 60% white & 40% black, and I liked most of the black kids better- they were into martial arts, the white kids called it girl-fighting to kick someone who was trying to bully you, heh heh.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
The guys in shop class were making weapons (knives, shanks, ect), which invariably, given the oppurtunity would have been used on the one "minority" kid in that whole misbegotten hell-hole...me.
And we made nunchucks in shop too.
Now, if I was THE ONLY white kid in a black school, well, I'd maybe feel the way you do, who can tell?
Diverse Chrisisall
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Anyone who thinks this is about religion is missing the point. And by point, I mean point of law. By restricting legal unions to heterosexual couples, the door is wedged open to admit more and more insidious forms of discrimination.
Now, I am not talking about marriage as a religious institution here, I'm talking about marriage as a legal union, with a license document that is filed with the government, that confers spousal rights upon the people named in the document.
There is a separation of church and state for a reason.
A religion may prohibit marriage between homosexual couples, or deny equal rights and privileges to its female practitioners, or it may state that all who do not believe in the tenets specified by its scriptural writings are blasphemers and worthy of death.
However, the law is supposed to protect every citizen. Every citizen of the country is supposed to have the same rights, the same privileges, and the same responsibilities as every other citizen.
One church's tenets may state that women do not have the right to an education, but under the law the state is supposed to provide its female citizenry with the same rights to education that it provides to its male citizens.
One church may tell its followers that people with differently colored skin from theirs are lesser beings, not fit to share the same rights. Under the law the state is supposed to provide the same rights regardless of the skin color of the citizen.
Now the issue is gay marriage. The religious fervor is clouding the real issue. What is at stake is a point of law.
Married couples have certain rights, such as joint tax returns and spousal health and death benefits. Many companies only offer spousal benefits to married couples, and do not acknowledge life partners (whether homosexual or heterosexual). The definition of household for many government benefits provides better protection to married couples than to unmarried partners living in the same household.
While some states offer civil unions — a form of relationship recognition that gives unmarried couples some state-level benefits of marriage, and some states have adopted domestic partnership laws that provide unmarried couples with health care benefits and/or other protections, our nation has not provided its citizens with federal law to protect all of its citizens.
All citizens should be entitled to the same rights under the law, just as they should all be equally responsible and bound by the laws of the nation.
If anyone reading this believes that any American citizen does not deserve health care or bereavement benefits please explain why.
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Quote:I'm sorry GreenBrowncoat, you make too much sense in a calm and measured manor; I believe the rules of RWED state that flaming and ad hominems are required...
Originally posted by GreenBrowncoat:
All citizens should be entitled to the same rights under the law, just as they should all be equally responsible and bound by the laws of the nation.
isall
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Didn't need shop, imma mechanical savant, so that was already covered, and I was already computer literate, owning a Tandy CoCo II before the school even had Tandy Mk I's - but no one in my family could cook worth a damn, and having no alternate path of instruction the choice was obvious.
When I lost my only remaining parent (with no other adults willing to serve as guardian) suddenly and unexpectedly at 17, and had to then survive alone on the pittance a kid of that age can earn, I thanked my lucky stars for that foresight, it played a large part in saving my ass from financial doom.
It also serves me well now, as letting Fremgirl try to cook is *begging* for a kitchen fire, we're talkin about the same girl who somehow let a teakettle boil empty and start melting trying to make TEA...
She actually made a coat of arms flag for me once, a workmans glove holding a wrench crossed against an oven mitt holding a spatula, I like it so much it's hanging over the bookcase now.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Usually when you speak of "evil whitey", especially in the historic sense, you mean the British, the Germans, or some other Europeans...
Spain is part of Europe. You can look at a map and see it right there.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:
Originally posted by GreenBrowncoat:
Anyone who thinks this is about religion is missing the point. And by point, I mean point of law. By restricting legal unions to heterosexual couples, the door is wedged open to admit more and more insidious forms of discrimination.
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All citizens should be entitled to the same rights under the law, just as they should all be equally responsible and bound by the laws of the nation.
If anyone reading this believes that any American citizen does not deserve health care or bereavement benefits please explain why.
Amen! Thank you.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Spain is pretty white. I didn’t see very many dark skinned Spaniards when I was in there. However, I think Wulfenstar’s point is that “white” as it is used in the US has typically been defined as WASP “White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.” Which I don’t think is entirely true. I think that many people use a much broader brush when they use the term white. But he does have a point that WASPs have been historically singled out, above other white people.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"... marriage is the union between a man and a woman."
I don't know why, but every time I read the title I hear that song ....
When a maaaan loves a woooman ...
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