SEN. OBAMA: I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman.
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UPDATED: Monday, August 25, 2008 13:24
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Well,
A lot of things would have to change before I can sign a contract with my dog.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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He'd have to stop crapping in the house?
bring the paper in in the morning,
stop nuzzling yor balls in public,
Quit fucking everything that moves,
Dogs are such dogs some times
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
Six, I realize that a lot of people feel that way,
but this is America, and people that feel that way need to ask themselves whether they are Americans or Christians first -
probably the latter in many cases,
the problem here is that some main-stream christian theology is directly contradictory to what this country was founded on(principles, not practice)
and frankly, that is a problem, if they let it dictate the direction that they want to take America, if they allow their beliefs to usurp the First Amerndment...etc.
I think an honorable approach, for the Christian American, is to hold whatever beliefs he has, and then to protect the first amendment, to protect the Constitution, because he believes strongly that the government should remain secular so that everybody, themselves included, can remain free to practice the religion of their choice as they choose.
Not sure what point of mine you're trying to argue here.... I can't say I disagree with what you're saying here.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
I will chime in agreement with Frem. There is no reason for the government to care about marriage at all, since it is a philosophical and religious practice. I would be in favor of removing any legal reference to 'marriage' entirely from the books. We might keep Domestic Partnership in place for its significance to finances. It would become a business arrangement between two (or more) people, allowing them to share responsibility for, and entitlement to, property.
People can get married, or marry their dogs or their houseplants, or get divorced on odd numbered Tuesdays. The government shouldn't care about this in any way. Only property disputes should become the government's domain.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
It seems that this is a necessary evil today. Personally I hate any financial relations to marriage. Maybe that's just because I'm a guy and I've seen my father and a few friends lives nearly destroyed because of "child support". I couldn't imagine what it's like to have a career and only have minimum wage funds available to you after the bitch and Uncle Sam get their share.
Personally, I believe those laws need to be reformed to make sure that women can't do things like buy an new Camry every two years or smoke 4 packs a day like my mom did. The women should not be allowed to touch a single cent of that money, and the father should have an equal say in how that money is spent on the children (529 IRA college funds, trust funds, clothing, diet, etc....)
You want equality girls? I'm totally up for it. But there are some serious flaws in just how far the other way the pendulum has swung.
I ate at Dennys 5 nights a week for years growing up....
I'll cut her a break, because I know it must have been murder being a single mom with a career, but damn.... My old man wanted to be just as much a part of our lives as she was and it just wasn't allowed because the courts automatically favor the mom. It was nothing more than her using that power to get back at him. There is a thin line between love and hate and when the Fury of a Woman Scorned is legally sanctioned and allowed to continue for 18 years, well.... that my friends, is nothing short of legal extortion.
Take the woman's ability to use that money on herself out of the equation and make the father every much a part of the financial decisions, if he so chooses, and the incentive for greed will evaporate and be replaced with two parents who are truly thinking of what is really important instead of themselves.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:Marriage is an economic practice, designed to allow women to stay at home and perform unpaid labor. If you don't believe me, look at how Social Security is constructed: the woman gets a share of the retirement provided she's been married to a participant for 40 quarters. It also allows the domestic partner to get health insurance and other benefits w/o needing to work.
There is no reason for the government to care about marriage at all, since it is a philosophical and religious practice.
IF we opt for full equality between partners... disallowing SS and other benefits to non-workers... we will be giving up a fair portion of our birthrate and a big chunk of family-based child-raising... because the costs to the mom (in terms of lost benefits and options, and therefore lost power w/in the family) will be too great. Personally, I think that reducing our birthrate is fine. But other nations have solved this conundrum by recognizing the benefits (to the State) of birthrate and family-based child-rearing and have therefore granted state benefits to those who bear children and take care of them.
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Controlling the birthrate in this country has only ensured that by 2020 whites will be a minority. Don't believe me? Why not? Affluent blacks and mexicans on TV like to bring up that point all the time.... I can't remember the guys name, but the author of a new bestseller mentioned that on the Colbert Report in the last week or two.
Why would somebody who didn't have anything to lose stop having kids when they'll be provided for on our dime? Even if they're not citizens and do not pay taxes...... Sure, their lives aren't peachy, but for the most part nobody is starving in this country.
Look at me.... I'm going to be 29 soon. I'm good looking, I have a well paying job, health insurance, 401k, IRA, bigscreen TV, etc.. but I don't have any kids. I could step outside my front door right now and within a 5 mile radius I could show you 100's of people who had kids when they weren't responsible enough to have them, and a vast majority of them had kids MUCH younger than I am now.
You're right about one thing signy. Money does have a way of controlling us, and I'm not all that confident that the more you have the better off you are, at least in a spiritual sense. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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"Controlling the birthrate in this country has only ensured that by 2020 whites will be a minority."
Yeah, and wont that be fun.
Look at how nice the places are where there is a minority of whites.
I'm just saying.
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Six,
living in California, one of the most liberal states out there,
my boss pays a little child support, but is a big part of the child's life, and he pays just a little, because of that, which, by the way, is a lot more expensive than if he weren't. If it were up to this particular woman she'd be getting every last dime.
Thing is, there's no hard and fast rule how the courts are going to behave on issues like this. Judges are the closest things to kings in this country for their direct power over other people's lives. They do some fucked up things sometimes.
You are right that child support should be regulated, but that costs money too, and nobody ever wants to pay money for these sorts of things..."not on my dime." and the reality is children are expensive as shit. Not all mothers who use the money are irresponsible.
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Wulf,
is THIS when we get to call you a bigot?
wow dude
you just don't take alot of historical factors into account when you go off on your tangents do you.
do you think people of other races are less capable of behaving well in a democracy than whites? Is that what you're saying? That its a genetic disposition?
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Quote:Well that is an argument that has been made. It’s not one I agree with, but it is one that has been successfully argued before. And it is true that ‘non-white nations’ are far less likely to have an enlightened culture then ‘white nations.’ Although I think that probably is a result of the fact that enlightened cultural began in Western Europe or the US and hasn’t progressed to all parts of the world yet. But I don’t think anyone need be called a bigot for recognizing these facts. My view is that an enlightened culture is a product of the culture not the ethnicity, and if white people became a minority, we would continue to be a very enlightened nation, but while that is my opinion, it is not one that is born out by the current distribution of liberal democracies.
Originally posted by Righteous9:
do you think people of other races are less capable of behaving well in a democracy than whites? Is that what you're saying? That its a genetic disposition?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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