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"Wulf,
is THIS when we get to call you a bigot?"
How did you get any of that from what I said?
Its a simple question...
Are places with a high proportion of blacks or hispanics nice, safe, areas?
Its a yes or no question.
I'm sure there are all sorts of reason "why" the places are the way they are.
Don't be afraid of the truth. Don't sweep the truth under the rug either. It's only when we face the harsh and ugly truths, can we work towards actually changing them for the better.
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Your suggestion was that if whites were to become the minority in this country that it would take a dive in the toilet, in spite of the infrastructure and American culture.
Oddly enough, we seem to be taking a dive now, and mostly because of the policiies of white politicians, and they have had a hand at making us particularly, ultra-violent. We have a lot of blood on our hands because of them...in-fact western culture is probably to blame for as many deaths as any, and lets not forget that germany was almost a completely white, european nation.
A bigot is somebody who thinks of certain races as being inferior, or less good. If you are gong to base your whole case on race, then you are going to fit that definition. I'm not going to shun you or stop talking to you because of it, but I'm going to point it out.
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You still havn't answered the question.
I made no claim, other than to ask a simple question.
Don't be afraid to answer it.
When we can answer it honestly, without 'explaining away' anything, then we can make actual, real moves to correcting it.
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Quote:No, it's NOT a yes or no question, anymore than asking "Are places with a high proportion of whites or Italians nice, safe, areas?"
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Are places with a high proportion of blacks or hispanics nice, safe, areas?
Its a yes or no question.
BTW, you are more likely to be murdered by a fellow cracker than someone darker than you, Wulf.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
Chrisisall
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Not really, I live in D.C.
Still not answering the question......
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One move I can think of towards correcting it...
while recognizing a pattern is neccesary towards fixing a problem, stating that a future with whites as the minority would be a hell hole is part of the problem,
is part of ignoring the issue, is part of putting all the blame for inequities and differences in behavior on "them"
on their race,
not on cultural pressures, which may even result from the white majority status,
what about focusing on poverty of these inner cities that has a lot to do with historic and current inequities in education, in job opportunities, etc.
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So...
Yes or no?
We can get to the correcting it part in a minute.
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Quote:
Are places with a high proportion of blacks or hispanics nice, safe, areas?
As with any area, some are, some aren't.
I fail to see any correlation between race and violence/crime.
I DO however, see a pretty damn high correlation between POVERTY, and violence/crime.
And when you get right down to it, look down the street from here, Dearborn, with one of the highest Arabic-descent populations in the US, and the whole damn DPD and related creep-cops crawling all over it LOOKIN for an excuse, and still it's a place decent enough that I actually hang out there and have developed relations with a lot of folks in the community, who... contrary to the hard-right hate spewed like vomit all over the airwaves, are indeed content to discuss moral, cultural and theological issues with you over coffee without sticking a knife in you over it - something a lot of southern baptists couldn't do on their best and most tolerant day.
I get along exceptionally well with Pashtunwali in particular, barring certain disagreements, but it ain't like they're keen on some of my ideas neither.
Anyhows... imma do what everyone else has been too damn polite to do and call it like I see it.
Your own statements and actions here have portrayed you as an ignorant, bigoted, racist fuckhead who has his head crammed up his ass from listening to too much righty-mighty-whitey hate speech from various media, and if that's who you really are, then maybe you should hump it on back to Stormfront where that kind of thing is a little more welcome.
Not gonna deny you the right to dislike folk based on their sexual preference, color, culture, creed or personal beliefs - yer as welcome to do that as any, but likewise imma mock the everliving crap out of you for it, cause I am of the opinion that it's fuckin ridiculous, and have every bit as much the right to my own opinions as you have yours.
And if you wanted to argue the topic without your "true colors" shining through so vividly, you need a LOT more practice, perhaps you should ask old Donnie Boy for pointers....
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Is your question whether or not there is inner city violence, that happens to correspond to poverty as well as race? The answer is yes, and I think race has something to do with it, that being that all people being equal,
and the going science says we all are, that pigmentaion and certain phisical appearnances ammount for a miniscule ammount of our DNA,
that what is different is culture, and the pressure of some cultures on others, and what is different is perception of race, and underreprepresentation of certain races in congress, which sadly results in plain old underrepresentation. Look at the native americans out in areas where htey don't even have running water, water that was brokered by the government to them as part of an agreement for their displacement. But nobody gives a shit because htey don't have any weight to get things happening for their communities.
I'm was not avoiding your question as to whether or not race is tied to violence and poverty in this nation, but focusing on your actual statement, which was that a future with less whites would mean more of this.
Do you see how recognizing a pattern is different than jumping to conclusions about what that pattern means? You jumped to a conclusion that seems steeped with racial overtones.
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Hooh-boy...its going to take me a little bit of time to respond to this one.
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