South Ossetia: Defense against ethnic cleansing, or invasion? (Turns out, Georgia fired missiles first. it was self defense)
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
But it wasn't really a no vote, it was a yes vote that had been bought into being a no vote, so since it was actually a yes vote, and not a no vote, yes, you'd have to say invading Iraq was totally legit, no?
Now you see, yes?
The UN's headquarters is in New York, not Florida Chris.
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Quote:Don't tell me; you'll be here all week, right?
Originally posted by citizen:
The UN's headquarters is in New York, not Florida Chris.
LOLisall
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Quote:Where are the 12 years of UN debate on the issue of Georgia like that the US conducted prior to the war in Iraq? Where are the 17 Chapter 7 UN Resolutions against Georgia like those that the UN issued against Iraq during those negotiations conducted by the US? Where are the sanctions and attempts to deal with Georgia peacefully to avoid invasion, that were the product of those resolutions issued against Iraq?
Originally posted by citizen:
So you think that America setting a precedent of not listening to the UN and doing whatever the hell it likes, has nothing to do with Russia thinking it can get away with not listening to the UN and doing whatever the hell it wants? Seems monkey see monkey do to me, but of course in order to recognise that, one might have to drop one's nationalist line "America perfect! America infallible! America always right!"
Nationalism is condemning one country for doing nothing more than yours did yesterday. Good luck with that.
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None of those resolutions, debate or anything besides gave the US the right, legal or otherwise, to invade Iraq. QED.
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Quote:That’s your opinion, and it’s not held by everyone, but regardless, Russia did none of those things - Russia never attempted for a moment to alleviate the matter without war. Invasion was their first resort - classic Soviet-Era politics.
Originally posted by citizen:
None of those resolutions, debate or anything besides gave the US the right, legal or otherwise, to invade Iraq. “QED”
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Quote:When it gets to that point, people or nations are acting on what they feel is right or in their best interests. Which is why the UN needs to ACT, so that it doesn't loose the faith of nations - something I tried for the longest time to explain to people.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:But who decides who the Capones are?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
but when the system is shaky and Capones are in charge, some latitude needs to be given to those who are willing to try something else.
Who is the Decider?
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Quote:17 Chapter 7 Resolutions over 12 years.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:The security council voted what Finn?
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Twelve years of UN Chapter 7 Resolutions and so many sanctions that it created a whole bureaucracy within the UN just to deal with Iraq. Where was that for Georgia? Oh, that’s right, there wasn’t any.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Where was UN support for the invasion of Iraq? Oh, that's right, there wasn't any, the security council voted no. Just because you buy our excuses, but not theirs, doesn't mean that they do the same, or even that ours are really any better.
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And how many resolutions against Israel ???
why ain't you all bomben them
Lets party like its 1939
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Quote:Most of those resolutions deal with both Israel AND the Palestinians, and none of them are actionable - they are all Chapter 6 Resolutions which require no enforcement of UNSC decisions, unlike the Chapter 7 resolutions.
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
And how many resolutions against Israel ???
why ain't you all bomben them
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Quote:*sigh*
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s your opinion, and it’s not held by everyone,
Opinions again...
Like Chris Rock said in Lethal Weapon 4, No means NO!
Quote:America strained at the UN leash to alleviate the matter with war. Invasion was their first choice - classic Bush-Era politics.
Russia never attempted for a moment to alleviate the matter without war. Invasion was their first resort - classic Soviet-Era politics.
Chrisisall
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Quote:No, it's not my opinion. In this instance it's a statement of fact. Of course portraying fact as opinion serves you well in bolstering your opinion, but it's still an opinion held by those who do not know, or do not understand the facts.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s your opinion, and it’s not held by everyone,
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