SEN. OBAMA: I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman.
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Monday, August 25, 2008 13:24
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The smoking issue is a tough question.
Even the gay issue is a tough question in the same way. You must realize that there are people who think just as strongly that a society that allows legal gay marriage is just as wrong as anti-smokers believe that people shouldn't be able to smoke in pubs....
None of this is easy, but there must be compromise. I'm not asking to be able to light up in the office and make others choke, but at the same time, I don't see how it's right that I be forced to smoke outside in the winter snow or a hard summer's rain without even shelter over my head. Where's the justice in that?
As for smoking in resturants and establishments, that is up to the owner to decide. If there really is a true market for places that don't allow smoking (which I really believe there is), then people need to open up bars and restaurants that don't allow smoking. Then even employees who want to be in a smoke free place have choices.
What the newspapers always fail to report (or put at the very bottom of the article on page 32 so our ADD riddled society doesn't read it) is that there are a lot of bartenders, waiters, waitresses, managers and owners who smoke who hate the statewide bans going into effect. Especially the ones going out of business because they live close to the border of a state without those laws....
Do it my way, and everybody's happy.....
Hell, now that I've got some money, I've thought about opening up a non-smoking bar/restaurant myself. Imagine the publicity I'd get being the bar owner that doesn't allow smoking in his place and goes out and smokes a pack a night in the outdoor smoking shelter in the middle of a Wisconsin winter.
I know it'd get headlines.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Quote:I'm at a loss as to why it even exists- it promotes extra-legal activity, does it not?
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Would you support N.A.M.B.L.A. if they wanted to recognize themselves as being "married'?
Confused Chrisisall
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Quote:Just stop smoking & save your $.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
None of this is easy, but there must be compromise.
Or limit yourself to five cigs a day...
Easy answerisall
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That would be like me telling you to stop eating so much soy and start being only a quarter as gay as you are chris.
Just kidding with ya, I hope you were too..... "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Forcing various religions to perform gay "marriage" usurps religious freedom. The government does NOT have the right to meddle that way. Remember your Constituion?
Who's forcing religions to perform same-sex marriage? Folks, straight or gay, can get married by a county clerk in a completely non-religious ceremony, or by any religious institution that is willing to freely perform the ceremony.
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Again, (I feel like I say this anytime one of these discussions comes up), marriage is a RELIGIOUS institution.
Tell that to married atheists.
But once again, how does same-sex marriage devalue or demean heterosexual marriage? How does gays marrying impinge on your rights?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Marriage IS a religious institution. What one must realize is that there are many different religions and they always split off from one another. I sure anyone who practices Christianity here doesn't agree with the Muslim religion. As long as we don't go flying planes into buildings or vice versa, I don't see what the problem is. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Marriage is not a civil matter.
Well,actually, since government provides various benefits to people based on whether they're married or not, it is a civil matter. For instance, although Ellen and Portia are legally married under California law, they can't, due to the Defense of Marriage act, file a joint Federal tax return or claim any other Federal benefits due to a married couple.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:As Mr. Spock is fond of saying; there are always...possibilities...
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Just kidding with ya, I hope you were too.....
I shall try to be less gay.
But I need my soyisall
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There are no such thing as "married" atheists. They were joined in a civil union...which, AHEM, is what Ive been saying.
Maybe I have more of a problem with the term "marriage" being used. Which is again, what Ive been saying. Marriag = religious, Civil Union = any frak pretending to be married...
Also, a gay "marriage" devalues my marriage by putting it on par with dog-lovers, child rapists, and incestous folks. (See explanation in posts above) 
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Marriage is not a civil matter.
Well,actually, since government provides various benefits to people based on whether they're married or not, it is a civil matter. For instance, although Ellen and Portia are legally married under California law, they can't, due to the Defense of Marriage act, file a joint Federal tax return or claim any other Federal benefits due to a married couple.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
You didn't read my entire post then. I said that the only state matter in marriage is the tax/public benifits that come with recognizing a union. And that after those lines are drawn people can choose to live in a state who rules either way.
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