SEN. OBAMA: I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman.
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REV. WARREN: Okay. There's a lot more I'd like to ask on that, but we got 15 other questions here.
Define marriage.
SEN. OBAMA: I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. (Applause.) Now, for me as a Christian, it's also a sacred union. You know, God's in the mix. (Applause.)
REV. WARREN: Would you support a constitutional amendment with that definition?
SEN. OBAMA: No, I would not.
REV. WARREN: Why not?
SEN. OBAMA: (Applause.) Because historically, we have not defined marriage in our Constitution. It's been a matter of state law that has been our tradition. Now, I mean, let's break it down. The reason that people think there needs to be a constitutional amendment, some people believe, is because of the concern about same-sex marriage. I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage, but I do believe in civil unions. I do believe that we should not -- that for gay partners to want to visit each other in a hospital, for the state to say, you know what, that's all right, I don't think in any way inhibits my core beliefs about what marriage are.
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I gotta say I find this disappointing. I was hoping that at least Obama wouldn't pander to the Christians by making gays second class citizens with this 'separate but equal' civil union crap. Yeah, I know McCain would say the same, and pretty much did, but he's not supposed to be a Liberal.
BTW, "I do believe that we should not -- that for gay partners to want to visit each other in a hospital, for the state to say, you know what, that's all right, I don't think in any way inhibits my core beliefs about what marriage are." Grammar. Use it, MFer?
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I think part of that is that it's running up against his core beliefs as a person - and he's gritting his teeth and at least minimally complying with the Constitution in spite of that internal conflict.
I don't like it either, but I do take it as a good sign that his belief in the Constitution comes before his personal religious affiliations.
All that said, I don't think the State has any place in defining "Marriage" as it is a religious institution to begin with.
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Quote:Why does Obama being a Liberal make his opinion on this any more disappointing then McCains? To begin with both Obama and McCain are liberals, but liberals have never embraced same-sex marriage. It was Clinton who came up with the Defense of Marriage Act.
Originally posted by Geezer:
I gotta say I find this disappointing. I was hoping that at least Obama wouldn't pander to the Christians by making gays second class citizens with this 'separate but equal' civil union crap. Yeah, I know McCain would say the same, and pretty much did, but he's not supposed to be a Liberal.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Why does Obama being a Liberal make his opinion on this any more disappointing then McCains? To begin with both Obama and McCain are liberals, but liberals have never embraced same-sex marriage. It was Clinton who came up with the Defense of Marriage Act.
Originally posted by Geezer:
I gotta say I find this disappointing. I was hoping that at least Obama wouldn't pander to the Christians by making gays second class citizens with this 'separate but equal' civil union crap. Yeah, I know McCain would say the same, and pretty much did, but he's not supposed to be a Liberal.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
Actually, Republican Bob Barr authored that particular piece of shit
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Quote:That’s true, but Clinton signed it into Law.
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Actually, Republican Bob Barr authored that particular piece of shit
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Well then he didn't "come up with" it then did he?
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Quote:I’m sorry my loose use of language blasphemed the almighty Clinton. Nonetheless, as much as liberals have tried to hide it, the definition of marriage is one both liberals and conservatives largely agree on.
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Well then he didn't "come up with" it then did he?
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well that makes me lose A LOT of respect for him
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Again, I cry bullshit Finn. Please refrain from telling me, as a liberal, what I think.
Thanks
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Quote:I don’t need to tell you what you think. Clinton, Obama, McCain and a host of other liberals have already set the precedent. You don’t have to agree with them, and I’m not saying you do, but if you’re going to tell me that mainstream liberal thought is in favor of same-sex marriage, then there’s your bullshit. Sorry.
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Again, I cry bullshit Finn. Please refrain from telling me, as a liberal, what I think.
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