Were we left-leanin' peeps and Libertarians spoiled by the last quarter of the 20th Century?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 19, 2026 00:41
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Oh I got it, Jack, it's just that it requires a whole lot of prereq knowledge to really get that one since it's so obscure.
I think ya aimed that bit of snark a bit high, cause it damn near flew by ME.
Don't get me started on Star Trek...
My position on em was actually summed up quite well by Kyril Finn in the TNG episode "The High Ground".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyril_Finn
He delivered a well deserved and long overdue chops-busting on them, even if it was watered down cause the whole concept conflicted with the writers "vision" it did for ONCE show the opposite viewpoint, at least.
But the very BEST smackdown on Federation Policy was in fact delivered by Maqui operative Michael Eddington during the episode "For the Cause".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_Cause
"Why is the Federation so obsessed with the Maquis? We've never harmed you. And yet we're constantly arrested and charged with terrorism. Starships chase us through the Badlands and our supporters are harassed and ridiculed. Why? Because we've left the Federation, and that's the one thing you can't accept. Nobody leaves paradise. Everyone should want to be in the Federation...You know, in some ways you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious. You assimilate people and they don't even know it."
Star Trek = Firefly from the Alliance POV.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Sorry man... just read it for the first time actually. My Great-Aunt gave it to me 17 years ago, and sadly, I just got around to reading it now.
I now know who the author is, and in extention know a bit more about who I am in the process.
200 years after our anarchy it would probably look a lot like it does now, wouldn't it?
I remember watching 12 Monkeys the second time and thinking it was a completely different movie than it was the first time I saw it.
J
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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You've never read "Animal Farm" before? Man, you got some catchin' up to do. Animal Farm, 1984, Stranger in a Strange Land, Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World, A Clockwork Orange... those should be required reading for EVERY American.
Glad you're reading at all, though. To stop reading is to stop learning; to stop learning is to die inide.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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BTW - Sorry I didn't catch it earlier, Jack. Been sick. Fever no fun. :(
Hang on - things could get weird. And when the going gets weird, the weird go pro.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Glad you're reading at all, though. To stop reading is to stop learning; to stop learning is to die inide.
I think you meant to say "inside".
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Yes, just as Reagan, Bush & Bush were/are the NeoCon right.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson were the LOONEY Left?
Okay, are you actually agreeing that the major icons of the liberals are part of the looney left, pretty much making the entire left the looney left, or is this just more of your sarcasm? Wish we had a
emoticon you could use to designate, 'cause somtimes it's hard to tell."Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The garden variety Liberal wants you to comply with their little plans, but lacks the will or intent to force you, and is (rightfully) afraid of placing that power in the hands of the Government because they're neither stupid or blind enough to believe that's a good idea.
The National Socialist wants you to comply too, and while they lack the will to force you directly, has no problem handing the Government the power to force you, as they believe in the need for, and benevolence of, Government with a zeal bordering on religious fervor.
Fremd.
You might want to go by the library and pick up a copy of Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. He makes a pretty good case that liberals, since the turn of the last century, have proposed policies pretty much in sync with Mussolini's Fascism and Hitler's National Socialism (Less the racial purity thing, which which was more a German than Fascist thing. Italy had Jews in the Fascist government pretty much until the Germans forced him to remove them after the war started.) Goldberg notes, for example, the idolization of Mussolini by progressive and liberal U.S. politicians and academics in the 1920 and '30s. Many of them also thought National Socilism was the wave of the future.
He draws the contrast between, say, National Socialism and Liberalism using the masculine totalitarianism (boot stamping on a human face - forever) pictured in 1984 where everyone lives in fear, with the feminine totalitarianism (nanny state) of Brave New World where everyone's smothered with care, like it or not.
Also some interesting points about how Liberals create and support corporatism, as long as the corporations toe the line.
Some of his stuff is over the top, but he has interesting points to ponder.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Yes.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Okay, are you actually agreeing that the major icons of the liberals are part of the looney left
Quote:No.
pretty much making the entire left the looney left
No more than 'all Conservatives are part of the NeoCon agenda'.
Good Liberals and Conservatives have much common ground, fringy idiotlogues- not so much.
(I made up a new word
)
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Glad you're reading at all, though. To stop reading is to stop learning; to stop learning is to die inide.
I think you meant to say "inside".
Right you are!
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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He draws the contrast between, say, National Socialism and Liberalism using the masculine totalitarianism (boot stamping on a human face - forever) pictured in 1984 where everyone lives in fear, with the feminine totalitarianism (nanny state) of Brave New World where everyone's smothered with care, like it or not.
Interesting analogy; I like it.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
The Myrmidons were an ancient nation of very brave and skilled warriors as described in Homer's Iliad, and were commanded by Achilles. - Wikipedia
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