Were we left-leanin' peeps and Libertarians spoiled by the last quarter of the 20th Century?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 19, 2026 00:41
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I think I mighta read that a while back, but it's no matter, I can by-morrigan GUARANTEE you that our local library won't have it.. too "dangerous", if you know what I mean.
But again, not that it matters, remember Anarchist history, we hated these fuckers with a passion, and were all too well aware of how they idealized the Fascists as the wave of the future, happy, productive drones willing to enrich them without a single thought to themselves all for "the greater good"...
And we ain't never, EVER forgetting what they did to US in the doing, as a handy scapegoat along with those pesky Unionists.
While it's useful to have those kind of distinctions so far as figuring out how to best gum up the works on them, my primary concern when I look at a political philosophy is the end point, and whether it be the NeoCons, National Socialists, Islamic Fanatics, or what have you, if the end point is them controlling every aspect of my life - up goes the Black Flag and it's time to spit on ones hands and lower the pike.
In the end, they're all the same to me, really.
-Frem
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
H. L. Mencken
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Quote:Why, I thought that was corporo-Libertarians. In other words, you! *bats eyes*.
Liberals create and support corporatism
In any case, my progressive friends call both Liberals and Libertarians "Liberaloids".
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Any idea, no matter how much you may agree with it, can be radicalized and employed as an excuse for violence. There is no such thing as a righteous or untouchable philosophy, and when you start thinking that there is, you have become an extremist.- Finn Mac Cumhal
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I think I mighta read that a while back, but it's no matter, I can by-morrigan GUARANTEE you that our local library won't have it.. too "dangerous", if you know what I mean.
C'mon. If they have it here in Fairfax county, the bastion of Virginia liberalism, they'll have it there. Or maybe you should get the hell out of there before they start putting Soma in the water.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Why, I thought that was corporo-Libertarians.
No such thing. And you're confusing corporatism with capitalism again.
"Historically, corporatism or corporativism (Italian: corporativismo) refers to a political or economic system in which power is held by civic assemblies that represent economic, industrial, agrarian, social, cultural, and/or professional groups. These civic assemblies are known as corporations (not the same as the legally incorporated business entities known as corporations, though some are such). Corporations are unelected bodies with an internal hierarchy; their purpose is to exert control over the social and economic life of their respective areas."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
"Capitalism is the economic system in which the means of production are owned by private persons, and operated for profit[1] and where investments, distribution, income, production and pricing of goods and services are predominantly determined through the operation of a free market.[2] Capitalism is usually considered to involve the right of individuals and corporations to trade, incorporate, employ workers, and use money, in goods, services (including finance), labor and land."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
Corporatism, practiced by both the Italian Fascists and German National Socialists, seems to embody a lot of the same ideals as the Cooperatives you frequently espouse.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by Geezer:
The Left prizes the individual's rights? What you been smokin', son? The Left prizes the collective good (as defined by the Left), and is willing to sacrifice the rights of individuals for the supposed good of the whole. Hence, for example, the "Although you're law-abiding, we demand that you give up your right to own firearms on the off chance it might keep a criminal from using one." type retoric. The Left want the government to "take care" of us, and improve our lives (using their image of 'improved') whether we want to be taken care of and improved or not.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Oh bullshit
I am on The List. We are The Forsaken and we aim to burn!
"We don't fear the reaper"
FORSAKEN original
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Quote:Capitalism in America these days is a long wait for a train don't come, Geeze, at least when you're talkin' the big bucks. It could be a lot worse, but it's still pretty bad...remember when OCP was satire in the movie Robocop? Well baby, it's like that now...but, y'know, without the heroic cyborg.
Originally posted by Geezer:
And you're confusing corporatism with capitalism again.
RoboChrisisall
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Oh he's definately got a point, FMF - I just don't think he, or anyone, should be smearing the entire Leftward end of the political spectrum over the conduct of certain branches any more than one should smear the entire Rightward end over the Neocons.
That bein said, there is indeed a danger to us looming in the folk he's speaking of, and one well worth considering when we yank the carpet out from under these Neocon sumbitches... we don't wanna roll it out for an extreme at the other if we can at all help it, yanno ?
"I'm thinkin, a place in the middle..."
I will also state that what we have here in the States is a far cry from a Free Market when Corporations have the same rights as people (See Also: Corporate Personhood) and can buy themselves favorable laws and regulations from the politicians.
What we currently have is more accurately described as Crony Capitalism or Vulture Capitalism, with a side order of Government-Mandated Monopoly.
(See Also: Amtrack)
As for the library and the water, this podunk little town's library refuses to stock anything more controversial than romance novels, on top of which their selection of anything but reference works is so puny that they're practically begging for donations....
And if you wanna talk about the water supply, PN makes a good case for Flouridation being the equivalent of the Soma or the Pax, a claim which, on serious investigation, holds a surprising amount of weight given the evidence.
Not like that's of any great concern to me, given that I am of West Virginian ancestry and Michigan allows you to brew over a hundred gallons a year of whatever the hell ya please for personal consumption...
Distilling WATER ? pffth, waste of good equipment, ya ask me.
(Cue: Rude Sounding Banjo Music)
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
BTW - Sorry I didn't catch it earlier, Jack. Been sick. Fever no fun. :(
Hang on - things could get weird. And when the going gets weird, the weird go pro.
HT... one of my favorites
I've actually read most of your list there, and I agree they should be mandatory reading. From what I understand most of it was in school, but they've been dropped....
Funny that, isn't it?
But yeah... I was a dumb kid who read a bunch of crap until I was about 23 and started reading anything of substance.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Capitalism in America these days is a long wait for a train don't come, Geeze, at least when you're talkin' the big bucks. It could be a lot worse, but it's still pretty bad...remember when OCP was satire in the movie Robocop? Well baby, it's like that now...but, y'know, without the heroic cyborg.
Yep. It's pretty funny, but most big companies nowadays can't really be described as Capitalist. They're so tied into government, and rely on so many complicated regulation and reporting requirements to keep smaller competitors at a disadvantage. Big companies actually lobby for MORE regulation, and the government's happy to oblige...if the companies fall in with the party line. The Corporatists are winning.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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