Were we left-leanin' peeps and Libertarians spoiled by the last quarter of the 20th Century?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 19, 2026 00:41
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1975 to 2000...no MAJOR war, blacks, women, gays all being more accepted as equals & getting more rights protected...Star Trek returning...
It seems we were getting used to a more open society, taking it for granted even...then BAM! Here rides in Bush Jr. to show us all how fear can be used to keep the local systems in line.
Did Bush do us a disguised favour setting us back so far? What if someone who was not merely incompetent, but really evil got a hold of this nation post 9-11? Maybe Bush is the warning sign we all needed...? Like a vaccine, sort of?
Whaddya think?
Postulatin' Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
1975 to 2000...no MAJOR war, blacks, women, gays all being more accepted as equals & getting more rights protected...Star Trek returning...
It seems we were getting used to a more open society, taking it for granted even...then BAM! Here rides in Bush Jr. to show us all how fear can be used to keep the local systems in line.
Did Bush do us a disguised favour setting us back so far? What if someone who was not merely incompetent, but really evil got a hold of this nation post 9-11? Maybe Bush is the warning sign we all needed...? Like a vaccine, sort of?
Whaddya think?
Postulatin' Chrisisall
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Well, Chris, Is All
The thing is I think the really evil people DID take over. I'm not talking about Bush - he's just the brain-dead puppet they use to put a face on the machine - but Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice et al.
And for it to be a harmless vaccine and not a case of anthrax we'd have to actually get over it without substantial, lasting damage. I don't see that that's possible.
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I take umbrage at the title of this thread...left-leaners and Libertarians are NOT the same thing. Not even close.
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Quote:"That which does not kill us, makes us stronger."
Originally posted by rue:
And for it to be a harmless vaccine and not a case of anthrax we'd have to actually get over it without substantial, lasting damage. I don't see that that's possible.
So the U. S. should come out of the Bush Administration with a ruttin' "S" on it's chest, eh?
To run with the medical analogy for a moment longer, sure we have broken bones n' s**t, but we can heal. Maybe a limp here, a few scars there... Like Geezer said, we've been worse & survived.
The Optimistic Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
I take umbrage at the title of this thread...left-leaners and Libertarians are NOT the same thing. Not even close.
lol
, I know, it 's just that both tend to prize the individual's rights over the states, except the LOONEY left fringe, but that's another story, heh heh.NotfringyChrisisall
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Chris, Is All
Ehhh - wait till you get as old as me. Somehow you can carry the dings and dents without much problem when you're young. But when you get older ... they ALL resurrect from a long-forgotten youth and take their toll. They they're not making you stronger - they just make you hurt. And feel tired.
But anyway, to the US specifically - I'd have to see that the problems - the disease one might say - are actually being overcome. I'd need to see individuals rights to privacy enshrined in the constitution by name. Corporations stripped of personhood. The media acting like something other than a whore. Elections run by neutral parties and not those with agendas. Congress acting as a check on the presidency. Justice meted out to the administration. Big money out of government. ... The list is even longer, but you get the idea.
If these things don't happen, then how can we say the patient is on the mend ?
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Quote:Maybe the patient has, like, herpes, you know, it's never really gone, but it flares up every now & then...? The idea is to control it, make it manageable.
Originally posted by rue:
If these things don't happen, then how can we say the patient is on the mend ?
PatientzeroChrisisall
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Ahem ... well, uhhh, you see, herpes is kinda like really, really slow AIDS - it might not kill you (as quickly) but it's there, quietly doing damage all the while. And why, before you know it, in a mere 40 years or so you have high blood pressure, or dementia ... but, that's just getting a little too carried away with the analogy ...
I understand what you're driving at. I'm just not sure I think there's a grand sweep to history with an inevitability of better days at some unknown point in the future.
Just call me a cockeyed pessimist !
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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The Left prizes the individual's rights? What you been smokin', son? The Left prizes the collective good (as defined by the Left), and is willing to sacrifice the rights of individuals for the supposed good of the whole. Hence, for example, the "Although you're law-abiding, we demand that you give up your right to own firearms on the off chance it might keep a criminal from using one." type retoric. The Left want the government to "take care" of us, and improve our lives (using their image of 'improved') whether we want to be taken care of and improved or not.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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