Were we left-leanin' peeps and Libertarians spoiled by the last quarter of the 20th Century?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 19, 2026 00:41
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Quote:I can.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Can you honestly say that 'neocons" are any worse than Liberals?
Liberals believe in freedom, Loony lefties believe in an ultimate nanny-state, which is a hairsplit from the fascist Iron Fist NeoCons would prefer to see.
The fringes of each are almost identical.
Defining Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
What you are describing is the LOONEY left fringe...
Do a bit of reading on Progressivism, the precursor to the new Liberals. Check out the New Deal or the Great Society - "The government knows best and will fix it". Consider the 15,000 families displaced by the TVA. Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson were the LOONEY Left?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Yes, just as Reagan, Bush & Bush were/are the NeoCon right.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Wilson, Roosevelt and Johnson were the LOONEY Left?
isall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
1975 to 2000...no MAJOR war, blacks, women, gays all being more accepted as equals & getting more rights protected...Star Trek returning...
It seems we were getting used to a more open society, taking it for granted even...then BAM! Here rides in Bush Jr. to show us all how fear can be used to keep the local systems in line.
Did Bush do us a disguised favour setting us back so far? What if someone who was not merely incompetent, but really evil got a hold of this nation post 9-11? Maybe Bush is the warning sign we all needed...? Like a vaccine, sort of?
Whaddya think?
Postulatin' Chrisisall
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I've also never seen a donkey show, but I don't know what that has to do with the price of tea in China...
Mike
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Quote:Wanting a "Great Society" while feeding kids into the 'Nam meat grinder?? I'd call that looney all right.
Originally posted by Geezer:
Johnson ........ the LOONEY Left?
Chrisisall
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"1975 to 2000...no MAJOR war, blacks, women, gays all being more accepted as equals & getting more rights protected...Star Trek returning..." 
Really? Is that a Liberal utopian society?
I love Star Trek, dont get me wrong, but....they were under a "benevolent" military dictatorship.
And, did you notice how both religion and money were never explored/explained in the series?
Also, no major wars? No, we just had a bunch of illegal "police-actions" which benefitted no-one.
"Blacks, women, gays all being more accepted as equals & getting more rights protected..."
Getting more rights than white Americans you mean to say.
Furthermore, do I need to mention how the STD rates skyrocketed (A.I.D.S. anyone?), how crime exploded, how divorce rates expanded, and how much free speech was curbed in favor of "political-correctness" and Nanny-State b.s.?
Granted, I can't see a Conservative utopia as being much better...
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Quote:Uh, no.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Really? Is that a Liberal utopian society?
I love Star Trek, dont get me wrong, but....they were under a "benevolent" military dictatorship.
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Also, no major wars? No, we just had a bunch of illegal "police-actions" which benefitted no-one.
Agreed.
Quote:To deny that the pendulum will swing once released, when pulled so far to one side previously, would be...illogical.
"Blacks, women, gays all being more accepted as equals & getting more rights protected..."
Getting more rights than white Americans you mean to say.
Quote:I believe it was a myth- I never knew anyone with Aids...
Furthermore, do I need to mention how the STD rates skyrocketed (A.I.D.S. anyone?)
Quote:Prove THAT, please...
, how crime exploded,
Quote:An inevitable consequence of expanding freedom- deal with it.
how divorce rates expanded,
Quote:I agree here too, PC started out fine (like so many movements do), then got heady, and finally laughable.
and how much free speech was curbed in favor of "political-correctness" and Nanny-State b.s.?
Quote:More agreement...
Granted, I can't see a Conservative utopia as being much better...
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I've also never seen a donkey show, but I don't know what that has to do with the price of tea in China...
I expect more than that from you Kwicko....
Maybe somebody here gets it, maybe they don't. If they don't that's life, ain't it?
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Wulf, careful with that kool-aid there.
The folks who I believe you mean, worshippers of the nanny-state at it's extreme, are more properly labeled National Socialists, and I do not care for them a whit neither.
I'm very picky about this kind of thing, even when levelling insult, as you'll note that I never file garden-variety Conservatives in with the Hard-Right Straussian NeoCon slime.
Your garden variety Liberal doesn't belong in the same pot with the National Socialists neither, for all the mainstream press attempts to plant them there all day every day nonstop in a very successful attempt to demonize them.
Considering how much other bullshit they shovel, and we know they shovel, why should the above point be accepted when nothing else that comes out of their orfices is true ?
The garden variety Liberal wants you to comply with their little plans, but lacks the will or intent to force you, and is (rightfully) afraid of placing that power in the hands of the Government because they're neither stupid or blind enough to believe that's a good idea.
The National Socialist wants you to comply too, and while they lack the will to force you directly, has no problem handing the Government the power to force you, as they believe in the need for, and benevolence of, Government with a zeal bordering on religious fervor.
(Geeze makes good point on Progressivism, these kind of numnuts have been with us almost as long as the fucking Federalists)
By themselves, not especially dangerous - but you sure as hell wouldn't want the machinery of Government in their hands, either.
I tellya, the circle of crazy meets right in the middle, with the National Socialists and NeoCons having the same Facist-stinking Straussian agenda that goes all the way back to Plato's freakin Republic if you think about it, but I consider the NeoCons the greater threat because unlike the National Socialists, they'll poison ANY structure they can reach into doing their bidding, Media, Religion, anything they touch feels the taint, and results in hordes of wild-eyed "Prrroud to be ignerrrnt!" Brownshirts with zero thought process, no mercy and an axe to grind.
I simply address them in order of their threat level to me, my freedom, and my personhood, and frankly, the National Socialists don't have their shit together enough to present a valid threat at this time - although I DO worry about them being voted into power by folks so sick of the Right-Wing jackboot on their neck that they'll turn to ANY alternative that presents itself without considering the implications.
Frying pan to the fire is NOT an improvement - most of the current Democratic Party isn't even pissed off about the crapping on our rights, as witnessed by their complete and total cowardice (Yeah, talkin to YOU, Conyers) in addressing the matter, they're just pissed that they ain't in CHARGE of it, is all.
But garden variety Liberals ? pffth, no threat to me, idealists most of them, and in fact potential allies, remember, as an Anarchist, imma bout as "Liberal" as it gets, and you don't see ME advocating and praising the merits of Big Daddy Government, do ya now ?
Geeze
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I agree that it might be a momentary rush to string the bastards up rather than vote them out, but history shows that such fun generally comes at a high cost.
That's why I said it was just a dream, I know FAR too much history to not know exactly how that would go - the price for it would be way too high without significant corresponding benefit.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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