The Destruction of the US Dollar
POSTED BY: JaynezTown
UPDATED: Thursday, October 16, 2008 00:43
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And holding up a piece of paper expecting it to stop your pissed off ex from knifing/shooting you is smart ?
http://www.corneredcat.com/Mindset/paper.aspx
A weapon is a TOOL, one tool in the tool box, useful in it's proper application but not a damn cure-all, why the fuck do you keep trying to strawman that position on me when I have shot it down time after time ?
A pistol or rifle is of no effective use in munging up someones spying on you, unless maybe if ya held it up in front of your face.
It's of REALLY effective use in convincing some punk with a knife to go the hell AWAY, however.
Thing is, each tool to it's purpose - and yes, personal weapons DO have a deterrent effect on abuses because you cannot FORCE an armed person to do your bidding, you have to either reason with them, or kill them, and reason becomes more cost effective.
As for spying, that's a combination of a couple factors, but the most useful tool we have as individuals is the ability to simply NOT cooperate with the system, refuse to feed it, don't rat on your neighbors, treat unreasonable questions with intense suspicion and derision.
Throughout history, surveillence societies have ONLY worked with the full cooperation of a substantial percentage of the populace playing along and ratting each other out for a pat on the head, personal advantage, what have you.
Without that... lacking enough people to cooperate, they wind up with watchers watching watchers watch, and eventually nobody's doin anything ELSE - and it all falls apart.
But that would presume that most americans had the moral courage to not prostrate themselves and lick the jackboots like good little bitches, and you'd have to convince me of that.
And it would take a DAMN lot of convincing, given my opinion of em.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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"And holding up a piece of paper expecting it to stop your pissed off ex from knifing/shooting you is smart ?"
Silly guy - did I ever say it was ? My point was you could have picked a better example for how handguns preserve our 'liberties' in the face of over-weaning governments with lots of technologies, and in the face of powerful international moneyed interests who know how to cooperate with each other for mutual gain.
And BTW there are MANY tools in the drawer - not just for personal protection, but to attain and maintain freedom.
When it comes to freedom, the first and most important is recognizing the importance of organization. Because otherwise, you're just one nut-case.
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When it comes to freedom, the first and most important is recognizing the importance of organization.
Well yeah, given that I run what amounts to a private intel cell, based on what could best be called a swarm-theory meritocracy, I'm well aware of that - it's just that I consider the modern standard heirarcy(sp?) models wide open to corruption, infiltration and intertia....
Not to mention their piss poor personnel and com security.
Using traditional top-down infrastructure in our current era is just *begging* for trouble, do we really have to discuss the why ?
There's more than one way to do it, yanno.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quick - who is more free - a Canadian or a USer ?
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Hello,
Rue, I don't know. I'm not a Canadian and have very little knowledge of their ways.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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This is creepy!
Not too long ago I saw this documentary that predicted this very scenario. Ooooh, it gives me the chills.
Shiny! Let's be bad guys!
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Originally posted by Shinygoodguy:
This is creepy!
Not too long ago I saw this documentary that predicted this very scenario. Ooooh, it gives me the chills.
Please , Do tell !
I could stand to hear a little more...
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Well you're right and you're wrong there Rue...
Take, for instance, how because of the price of copper has gone up so high while the value of the dollar has gone down, because the Fed doesn't have the balls to raise interest rates, that now it is becoming lucrative to melt down pennies and cash them in. It's not making a ton right now, but if we see both of those trends continue on, we'll likely eliminate the penny altogether as we run out of lighter and cheaper metals to keep mixing with that copper.
It's really why Capitalism gets a bad name in my book. There really isn't a Free Market or even True Capitalism when you have notes that aren't backed up by anything but a promise and the big boys on top can raise or lower interest rates to effect us common folk significantly in our decisions.
If folk would ever bother to re-check the Coinage Act (1792) , they'd know that the poorest folk were well protected , in the original instance...Pennies were Worth MORE than their 'face value' , so that in a worst case situation , if anyone had as much as a few cents on hand , they'd still have something of True Substance , of significant worth and VALUE , that could be traded for other commodities of worth...
Now , since 1964 , even 'Silver' coins have had their worth extracted , and they're the non-Lawful 'cupro-nickel sandwich' , in the best case...
The pennies , as it turns out , are an even more egregious abuse...They used to be solid copper , but for more than 20 years are substantially , 'copper-washed zinc' , which is banker/lawyer/politician Federal Reserve Suckerese for 'there goes your True Substance and your Lawful Money yet again , chumps !'...
A fortunate few are able to find old pennies and melt them for exchange for the 'Bank Notes of the realm'...
The Liars and Deniers persist , but they are 'Heroes' at the expense of everyone else...
Witness the Worldwide Demand for frickin' manhole covers and sewer grates as 'currency'...
That's some big dang 'Coin' for common folk to have to tote around , but hey , the desperate do what has to done...
< http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4PCTA_e
nUS286&q=stealing+manhole+covers>
< http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=stealing+manhole+covers>
Oh yeah , the 'upscale' criminals are stealing the catalytic converters off of parked cars...A hacksaw will get you into that 'business'...
It's sad that natural born American's don't know any of that. I admit that though what you say makes perfect sense, I never learned about it in school. I'm even willing to bet that it is in the textbooks somwhere between K-12, but to the best of my recollection we never covered more than 1/8 of any history book my parents paid 50 to 100 bucks for growing up.
I never knew if you were natural born or not, but I know that (at least I think I do and don't get pissed if I'm wrong) that you're of Asian descent. I know that doesn't mean that you aren't a natural born citizen or anything, but either way I appreciate it more coming from you and feel just that much more ashamed that I really know nothing about how this wonderful country had been erected and what is happening to it now by both those in power and those who stand aside and allow it to happen.
Thanks for enlightening me on that. I have no doubt that something of that significance was truly set up that way in the beginning before Government no longer existed to serve the people.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It's sad that natural born American's don't know any of that. I admit that though what you say makes perfect sense, I never learned about it in school. I'm even willing to bet that it is in the textbooks somwhere between K-12, but to the best of my recollection we never covered more than 1/8 of any history book my parents paid 50 to 100 bucks for growing up.
I never knew if you were natural born or not, but I know that (at least I think I do and don't get pissed if I'm wrong) that you're of Asian descent. I know that doesn't mean that you aren't a natural born citizen or anything, but either way I appreciate it more coming from you and feel just that much more ashamed that I really know nothing about how this wonderful country had been erected and what is happening to it now by both those in power and those who stand aside and allow it to happen.
Thanks for enlightening me on that. I have no doubt that something of that significance was truly set up that way in the beginning before Government no longer existed to serve the people.
Thanks for sayin'...
It IS Sad , and yes it is certainly a shame , a damned , Dirty shame , that we have 'errand boys' hereabouts who'll voluntarily run to do the bidding of the Banksters and the CONgressmen who facilitate the robbing of the Wealth and Productivity of this Country...
It's a tale of Woe...One that has been repeated Innumerable Times throughout History...We're the Folk who are
CON-Dimmed to repeat the same sad History , unless more Folk can be Awakened to the Truth and Reality that are Intrinsic to our present circumstances...
There is much more Truth to be told , but those who have the most fealty to the System , and the most Cherished Illusions , stand in the way of others Having the Truth...
It's a particular oddity to me , that someone who identifies himself as a 'chemist' , has such a battle obtaining the Fact that certain items not only have an 'intrinsic' value , but that some of those same items have held their intrinsic value over millennia...
There's much more to 'History' than what is told in the books given to children...
Half of writing History is hiding the Truth...
Those who'd spin History for our Detriment and their own simultaneous benefit , are the enemies of Liberty , Freedom ,
and Prosperity for the People...
Doesn't matter if it's only Ego that drives 'em to do it , they're still as guilty as the masterminds who seek to facilitate our Demise...
Like I said , 6ix , thanks for noticing , 'cause that makes the whole battle worthwhile...
The only favor you can do ; is to share the facts that you uncover , with enough other Folk , to maybe turn the tide a bit , before the lights are blown out...
Here's a little current information about 'intrinsic' value of U.S. minted coins...Observant folk will note that the more 'current' issues have little to no melt value , but the more 'antique' True Substance coins of the Lawfully-prescribed Copper and Silver Metals , actually are worth more than their 'face' value , by a SigNyfuc*ant Margin :
< http://www.coinflation.com/>
There's also an online calculator for showing what a buck was worth , say 100 years ago , in 1908 , when there WERE Metals with Intrinsic Value as part of the Money in circulation , versus Today...
So , as an example , you could buy with 4 Cents , what would cost you an entire $1 denomination Federal Reserve Note now...
< http://www.westegg.com/inflation/>
Hey , it ain't without reason that a depiction of a 'pyramid scheme' , and the obscure motto ,
'Novus Ordo Seclorum' appear on the back of that $1 Note...Roughly translated , that's 'New Order of the Ages'...
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Not to interrupt y'alls in depth and migraine inducing conversation, BUT...
There IS nothing wrong with the US Dollar
There is NOTHING wrong with the US dollar!
There is nothing WRONG with the US dollar!
Iremist crawls into a corner and has a psychotic breakdown.....
WE JUST PUT IN A BID ON OUR FIRST HOUSE!!!AFTER WAITING 10 YEARS!!!! DON'T JINX THE ECONOMY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
However, after scrolling through this thread, I just may invest in LEAD, preferably in 180 grain increments............... 
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