Is it wrong to be Pro- Alliance ?
POSTED BY: Booksword
UPDATED: Sunday, March 28, 2010 01:34
VIEWED: 35713
PAGE 6 of 10
No, it wasn't a quote. What I meant to say was - I don't think discrepancies between planets will be addressed. I think planets that have something to offer in the way of natural resources (say, maybe oil) will get help and funds for rebuilding from the Central Planets. Poor planets will get left to fall to pieces or starve.
I have a very low opinion of humanity, and I don't think five hundred years will change Man's basic unpleasantness. Sorry.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
You won't get an argument from me and I think mankind will only change when it is profitable to do so.
http://swyzzlestyx.com/index.html
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I'm going to toss out a pertenant quote here from H. Beam Piper (anyone remember him?) from his book Space Viking: "It may be...that there is something fundamentally unworkable about government itself. As long as Homo Sapians Terra is a wild animal, which he has been and always will be until he evolves into something different in a million or so years, maybe a workable system of government is a political-sciense impossability...Then we'll have to make it work the best way we can and when it breaks down, hope vthe next try will work a little bit better for a little bit longer."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The point I am about to try to make compares the
Browncoats of the Unification War to the Confederates of the Civil War. I want to make it plain that I condemn the massive racial injustice that existed in the South at that time, and I am not trying to romaticize a terrible, racist system:
Now Then:
I don't think the Independents were fighting to destroy destroy the Alliance any more that the Confederates were trying to destory the US in the Civil War. They were merely fighting to be separate from it. The Browncoats decided that the benefits of Alliance control was not worth the lost freedoms of imposed enlightenment. They were fighting, I think, for the right to simply say "no thanks" to Government control.
I'll finish this post later, I have to work now.
Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I really don't like to step on the romantisism involved in the modern view of the "old south" but it was a highly stratified society that was an attempt to recreate the culture of the renaissance. That's why it has been refered to as "A rich man's war and a poor man's battle." As to how the Independants would have kept together had they won, you have only to look to West Verginia, which secceeded from the confederacy.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Wonderful--I've read that poem several times (White man's burden if I remember correctly) And you kept bang on to the thrust of the origional--I take my hat off to you. There was one line in the origonal poem, though, that hits right on a serious problem with colonialism--"Send forth the best ye can." The drain on the dymanic portion of the population led to weak government at home--Hmmmm...
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The Alliance won & tried to tell everyone how to live, if the Independents had won, I suspect individual rights would have been respected a bit more, but then they would have tried tellin' folks how to live after a while as well. Governments are like tires; you only get so many miles off 'em before they go bad & ya need to change 'em.
So the answer to the original question....no.
The moderate Chrisisall
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AG05:
The point I am about to try to make compares the
Browncoats of the Unification War to the Confederates of the Civil War. I want to make it plain that I condemn the massive racial injustice that existed in the South at that time, and I am not trying to romaticize a terrible, racist system:
Now Then:
I don't think the Independents were fighting to destroy destroy the Alliance any more that the Confederates were trying to destory the US in the Civil War. They were merely fighting to be separate from it. The Browncoats decided that the benefits of Alliance control was not worth the lost freedoms of imposed enlightenment. They were fighting, I think, for the right to simply say "no thanks" to Government control.
I'll finish this post later, I have to work now.
Done with work, so onward:
The first settlers of the outer rim planets settled out there beyond Alliance control (assuming the Alliance even existed at the time), and some planets went at least 1 generation without Alliance "assistance". It seems reasonable, then, that a group of colonies, geographically and politically isolated from the main population, who have survived by their own hard work and grit, would resent and resist a move to force "civilization" upon them. And let us not forget, the Alliance started the war (according to Jayne, at least).
I'm also not too sure about the Alliance's goodwill and desire to spread enlightenment throughout the system. The series mentions several times that, in the process of terraforming and settling the outer planets, the Alliance appears to care very little for the safety of well being of the pioneers. They use slave labor for terraforming projects, send settlers out with little more than a few supplies and a herd, and while they may send medicine to a economically productive mining town, they don't seem to care much when it gets stolen. So I really don't see them spreading the light of civilization quite as much as some folks might think.
Personally, I'm anti-Alliance, simply because I think that imposing your ideals upon others is the height of arrogance, and doing so at gunpoint the worst abuse of power. I don't give a rat damn how benign your intentions are, or how beautiful of peaceful or rich your society is, you don't have the right to force me to join it, and sure as hell don't have the right to kill me if I'm not a part of it.
I respect the right of your society and it's people to exist, even though I don't want to be part of it. And I respect the right of people to choose that wa of life over mine. All I ask is that same respect and that same choice. The Alliance doesn't offer that choice. The Independents do.
Mercy is the mark of a great man.
Guess I'm just a good man.
Well, I'm alright.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Which is why I would've gone Independent...deeper treads.
Originally posted by AG05:
All I ask is that same respect and that same choice. The Alliance doesn't offer that choice. The Independents do.
The tire-analogy-continuin' Chrisisall
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME